You are having an affair, you know it is wrong and part of you wants to end it but you can't seem to stop.
How do you end the affair?
I'm going to approach this topic from two perspectives, the emotional and the concrete.
First a little background, regardless of the excuses/justifications for your affair, the answer to your underlying problems is not to have an affair. An affair is an easy way to cover up the problem just as is substances abuse, shopping addictions, or various other activities in which we engage to hide our pain or problems.
But often when one is in the midst of the affair one can't see it. Why?
Because those endorphins that flood our brain during the attraction phase of a relationship are POWERFUL. It feels fabulous to be in that stage of romance. We like it and it is rather like an addiction, pulling us onwward and nearly controlling our thoughts and desires. We feel creative, sexy, wild, empowered, and we have more energy that we ever though possible.
Sometimes the lure of someone new seems better than one's long term relationship that may have moved out of that wild and crazy attraction phase. Maybe the relationship has wilted and suffered over the years. Perhaps the daily demands of a family have thwarted the passion and love that once existed.
So, yes it is not always easy to pull oneself away from an affair, but it is possible and you can do it.
Somewhere deep down, people know an affair is not the answer, nor is it the decent, healthy, honest, moral, or holy way to live.*
So how does one end the affair?
First lets talk about the emotional component.
Start by bringing into your mind the heartache that WILL come when the affair is discovered. Affairs don't usually end until the people are caught. (Unless you read this article and stop the affair today). Think about the pain your spouse will be in when she/he discovers what you are doing. Think of the heartache, the sorrow, the devastation. Think of your children and how they will feel about you. Think about how it may be to actually end your marriage, the divorce, the sorrow, the consequences in every area of your life.
Now, it is easy to dismiss all this but I want you to take it into your heart and ponder it for a while. Allow yourself to really feel what it will be like. Where will you be when you have the discussion to divorce? How will you tell your children you were unfaithful to your family? Where will you live after the divorce? How often will you get to see your children? How will your parents and friends feel about you? What consequences may come forth in your religious experience? Keep in mind that the person with whom you are having an affair will not seem so wonderful to you once that attraction phase is gone, and in spite of your belief that he or she is your soul mate, those emotions are a result of the endorphins currently flooding your brain... nothing else.
Remember the fact that an affair is a selfish behavior that puts your pleasure over the love of your spouse, children, and family; and in most cases over ones sense of morality and decency.
Now, please remember this:
This is not a time to feel sad and remorseful because your affair is ending. You do not mourn or whine. It is a time to celebrate that you have the strength to make the right decision. It is a time to praise yourself that you care more about your family than you do about the affair. Rejoice that you have made a decision that will save your marriage and allow you to recommit to your life partner.
Now, lets discuss the concrete dynamics of ending an affair.
You stop the affair today. Right now. You get up your strength, clear your head, and right now decide it has ended. You don't need to meet one more time, you don't need to explain anything to anyone. You just stop. You call and tell the person it is over and that is it. No elaborate conversation, no tears, no excuses or reasons or justifications. You are clear and blunt and decisive. (I'm not suggesting one is rude or cruel but there is no need for discussion, indeed it is not appropriate and may make it more difficult).
For example:
"I have decided to end this affair and will no longer be seeing you. I wish you the best."
Simple. Memorize the above if you need to. Or come up with a simple statement of your own but be clear and strong.
If you are having an affair with a co-worker or someone you see on a regular basis, do what you can to remove yourself from the situation.
You never allow yourself to be alone with the person again. NEVER. You do everything possible to NOT see the person or engage in a relationship of any sort.
You do not keep seeing each other as friends, you do not allow for temptation, you do not keep it going in your heart.
It is over. Done. Finished.
Promise yourself that from this moment on you will invest in your marriage, make it wonderful, find fulfillment in your family. You will do everything that is necessary to have a healthy and happy marriage.
You can do it! I know you can!
Today!
*Whether one frames the experience in religious or secular terms, there is a sense of living in dishonesty and guilt that is clearly uncomfortable.
Thank you to those who suggested this topic for a post. :-)
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
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I love reading your posts. Do you have any suggestions for the spouse that was the victim of the affair? My husband ended his affair over 3 months ago and we have been going to counseling, but he isn't even sure he wants to be married to me and I can't move forward to rebuild our marriage alone. I'm trying to be patient but I don't know how to act around him. Our therapist tells me to not be afraid and act on my feelings (kissing, touching, etc.) but every time I try he pulls away and it damages my almost-non-existant self esteem even more. But at the same time I don't want to avoid doing those things, because I'm afraid he'll never find his way back to me. I feel so helpless, so I'd love to see a post in the future about the other side of the coin.
Hi Jen,
Sometimes I wonder if you are my long lost 'guardian angel'. It's like you can read my mind....and know exactly what I'm going through.
I met the love of my life 6 months ago, I knew from day one that he's married. I know it's morally wrong to get involve with someone who is already committed. But I went ahead anyway. He loves his wife and his children whole heartedly.
He is 13 years older than me, and he's in a executive level position. I don't love him because he buys me stuff or take me anywhere I want. If any, I spend my money on him. I pay for dinner most of the time, I buy him stuff. I love him because he makes me feel complete. I know it sounds crazy. But there are times when I feel like my life revolves around him.
He told me we can keep this relationship forever as long as his family don't get to find out. He said he loves me, and will always be part of his life. I want to believe him so badly.
Please help me see the light. Help me get all my senses back.
Thank you.
Hi Heather...
Ahhh sweetie, I'm sorry you are going through such a heart breaking time.
Life is just not easy sometimes. :-(
Within the next week or so I am going to write a post just for you and address the affair from the perspective of the victim. (I have another poster who asked for a specific topic so that post is next on my list). :-)
It is really an important topic and trust me when I tell you, you are not alone.
One quick little thing... in terms of acting on your feelings... I would offer the idea to listen to your gut on this. I don't think it is always wise to act on our feelings because sometimes our deeper selves have a better sense of what is going on.
It sounds to me like you are picking up clues that showing affection right now may not be in the best interest of your relationship? I'm not asking you to over analyze it but to listen, really listen to your gut.
Another thing... I want you to take care of yourself. Right now, it is the most important thing you can do. Do everything you can to nourish your heart and nurture your soul K?
There are those times in life when the best thing we can do is manage the moment.
Feel free to write any time sweetie. I'll get a post for you soon!
XO,
Jennifer
Hi Anonymous...
Thanks for your kind words sweetie.
OK, I'm going to be your guardian angel for a minute! :-)
First, I'm going to give you a big hug then I'm going to be really honest with you. OK?
Please know that what I'm going to write is because I truly do want to support you and write with the greatest care and compassion for you.
I think you know what I'm going to say because you know in your gut what is going on. I sense you feel it and maybe are conflicted; the wild excitement you feel for this new man may be at odds with your own sense of integrity and morality.
OK, so here we go.
The attraction phase of a relationship is crazy making. It is. We all know it. Your brain is being flooded with endorphins, one in particular that is extraordinarly potent called phenylethylamine (PEA for short). It is the creator of why you feel you have found the love of your life. In truth, (I'm sorry to be blunt), your body/mind is becoming obsessed with this man because it is part of our primitive human sexual strategy to bring people together. It obviously worked in the past but today this strategy is filled with problems. (smile)
Further, whenver there is a relationship where one is invested more than the other, there is unhealthiness. This guy is not about to lose his wife and family. Regardless of what he says you are way down the list of what is important to him. He gets your gifts, your attention, your love, your sex but the minute his wife discovers the relationship, which she will unless you stop it, you will be gone.
I know you feel like this man is everything to you, your soul mate, the love of your life but I guarantee you, that the relationship is going to end in a lot of pain unless you can step back and remove yourself from the affair. I think you know this?
Right now it is difficult for you to see what is going on, but in time, when those chemicals are out of your system, (smile), you will have a new perspective and be able to see more clearly.
Sweetie, I invite you to take some time and hold in your heart your truth, your goodness, your highest self.
Honor what you know is true.
I don't know much but I know that true happiness comes from living an authentic, honest, loving life.
I sense this is your desire and may feel a little out of balance?
OK, I'm holding your spirit in my heart and sending my strength to you!
Blessings and love,
Jennifer
Hi Jen,
Thank you so much for your advice. I really need someone like you right now, someone that will not humiliate me but rather help me to have enough courage to end the affair.
Some people might think that I'm a horrible person. But I'm not. I'm from a decent / well respected family of politicians. I never dreamed to be a 'mistress'. But there are times when we just can't help who to fall in love with.
I don't want him to leave his family. I just really enjoy being with him. I enjoy the excitement and attention. Again, I know this is wrong. None of my family knows about my affair with this guy. I want him to meet my family but he refused.
Jen, I'm confuse!
I need help.
Hi dear Alexandra,
I've been thinking about you! :-)
I'm going to reflect on what you wrote for a sec K?
You ended with, "I'm confused" but as I read your thoughts you didn't really sound confused. You said you know your affair is wrong, you don't want the man to destroy his family, and you want to get the courage to end the relationship... right?
I'm thinking you are clear that you, (deep down at least) want to end the affair but the problem is those little emotions. :-)
No Alexandra you are not a bad person. Your struggle is that of the human condition... we have, at times, conflicting emotions, thoughts, and feelings. At the same time we want to do what we believe is right/good/moral, AND we want that PLEASURE. They aren't always one and the same. (Darn)!
So, I'm going to go with the idea that you want to end the affair but need help with it.. to get the strength. Is this OK?
Here is an idea... take some time, (meditate, pray, ponder, whatever works for you), and REALLY bring into your mind all the heartache that will surely come if you continue on with your affair. Feel the pain. Think about the children whose lives will be harmed, the wife who is going to become severely dpressed, your family who will be disappointed... take it into your heart and let yourself really experience the sorrow and heartache. Think about how you will feel when the affair ends with disclosure; your devastation, heart break, embarrassment, etc. etc. Go with the worse case scenario here. Just allow yourself to go there.
THEN, do the opposite, feel what it will be like for your whole life to KNOW you did the right thing. Feel the universe thanking you on behalf of the family, those children and their children. If you believe in God, or angels or the divine, ask to feel the embrace that comes from bringing the most beautiful light into your heart and soul. Feel what it is to live in the place where the holy, loving, or sacred emerges as brilliant. (However this is for you).
The point is, we often let our primitive minds rule our lives and often make poor decisions because of it. When we take the time to allow the more thoughtful, compassionate, understanding part of us take part in our decisions we frequently live more in tune with what we know as truth or light.
Does that make sense?
OK, so do this little exercise and see how you feel. Do it with the clear intention of moving toward what is your truth, bringing into your life all the strength and goodness possible.
I'll do the same for you!
Big, big hugs,
Jen
Get a divorce! An affair is unforgivable.
OMG. I just found this site and I finally feel hope that I can do this. I am going to stop it all today. Thank you for being here!!
Hi Jen,
Thanks for your post. It helped to drill some senses into my confused brain.
I'm involved with a married man. And trying real hard to stop this relationship. I wanted to find a way out in this relationship since i found out he was married one month into the relationship (in Jun08).
But it was furtile as my will is not strong enough... everytime he smsed me, cried in front of me, i gave in. He even slit his wrist. i know he's not the player, and i really trust him and believe that he love me deeply. He told me he cant let me go because he love me too much.
Maybe when you are in love with someone, you just believe and trust him in every ways. My friends all say im naive to believe him, and asked me to stop seeing a liar. They told me he is wrong in every way, chasing after me when he's married, leaving his pregnant wife at home and spending time with me? What sort of decent man will do it? But I chose to believe he did it out of love for me.
Sometimes, i feel that i can handle the situation better than him! I always knew that the solution to this situation is to end it! (his wife is giving birth in Jan09) And i do not want to put myself in misery thinking about their happy family. I told him i wanted to find my own complete love. and not one, whereby he has to go back to another woman. But he kept holding onto me and told me he will never leave me as he feels a sense of responsibility for me. I even quit my job because of him (we're in the same job).. but it didnt stop my heart to go back to him when he called. It's all so confusing.
I want to stop this relationship right now.
Hi Anonymous (12-25),
I'm feeling a lot of hope for you because you know this man is not only so NOT a decent guy, but he is seriously using you.
First, as you know, there is no decent man who is sleeping around while his wife is pregnant. I mean it couldn't get much worse. This guy is about as despicable as it gets. Right? :-)
And, as you also know, you don't deserve to be used. You deserve a man who truly loves you and is honest and decent.
To give you a little motivation (smile), I want you to think and imagine how you will feel when this man's wife has a baby while the guy you are sleeping with is out playing around.
Or how you will feel when she finds out about the affair. Ya know?
It is often more difficult to engage in hurtful behavior when we don't think about the ramifications and consequences.
I know you can cut off the affair... and I'm sending all my hope and care for your strength!
If you ever feel tempted or second guess your decision, just write me and I will be your cheer leader K?
Happy holidays and warmest wishes,
Jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
I am a married mother of two, having an affair with a married father of two. His wife is one of my good friends. Our relationship began on a purely emotional and intellectual level, and in the span of two months has finally evolved into a physical relationship.
Neither one of us has any intention of leaving our spouses, but lately I am finding myself obsessed with spending time with him, and with the voids he is filling in me, emotionally. We barely can find the time to be physical, so for me, I am addicted to the good feelings I get from him. He and my husband are opposites, and it hurts to go home to a lonely home after being with him. I would end the affair now to spare myself the emotional pain and longing that I have for him, but my husband will never be what he is, and that is a painful realization in itself. What do you suggest?
Jennifer- could you respond to the previous post- it is my situation as well.
Hi Anonymous' 12-29 & 1-2,
Thanks for writing and I'm sorry I am so behind on responding to emails and comments.
I've been on vacation in a snowstorm with very limited time on a borrowed computer! (smile)
OK... Let me share a few thoughts.
First, I believe (very strongly), that we are not truly happy when we live a dishonest, deceitful, or harmful life. I know that we can have a lot of fun and pleasure but not that deeply satisfying peace and joy that come from living in your highest good.
I also know that most affairs end when they are discovered... and we know when that happens it is not a pretty picture. It is often one of the most horrific times in the lives of all parties concerned.
In addition, the wonderful, wild, euphoria that accompanies the attraction phase of a relationship is not lasting, not true love, and while "addicting" is not what a healthy long term relationship is about.
It feels great, no question about it (which of course is why we hook up and why so many affairs occur), but again it doesn't last and it isn't the deep and honest love that comes when a couple is on a life journey together.
My advice for anyone having an affair is consistently this: end the affair and invest your time and energy in making your relationship as fabulous as possible.
If after you do everything you possibly can, (including counseling if necessary), the relationship is still intolerable or not what you want, you end the relationship.
Then and only then you move onto another relationship.
Trust me when I tell you that an affair is not the way to manage an unfulfilling marriage. It truly is not. Again, I know it feels great to be in that ecstatic state but is it really worth the pain that is going to come when the relationship becomes known?
And, it will become known.
Now, it terms of your marriages (to both anonymous'...smile), I understand a less than loving or fulfilling marriage is not a great situation in which to exist. But, I also know that most marriages can become vibrant and deeply satisfying if given the attention, time, and effort required for a happy relationship.
The thing is, as human beings, we pair bond; when we move into that attraction phase of a relationship we invest EVERYTHING into that person of our desire. We see that person as the perfect partner who makes us feel alive, whole, creative, and beautiful.
Of course we know this wild state is created by those powerful neurochemicals trying to bond us to another, the problem comes in when we are already in a relationship that requires significant commitment and dedication.
I totally get that it is difficult to pull away from a relationship that appears to fulfill you and provide for all your needs. The more into the relationship the harder it is to end it but if you decide to recommit to your marriage and family, you definitely can do it. Many people do.
I've posted several articles on when to end a relationship which may be helpful....
My best wishes to you both and I will respond if you have further questions or concerns.
Wishing you a Happy New Year,
Jennifer
jennifer-i have now ended it. however it seems so easy for him, and not easy for me. how can i get over the sadness of the thing that cannot be and get back into my marriage? i feel like such a fool
Hi Anonymous,
Ahhh... I know you are hurting.
I'm proud of you! :-) You deserve a good healthy relationship.
I have a couple of thoughts... first I have posted articles on getting over a relationship on my other blog, How to Tell if a Guy is a Jerk, I'm going to find a few and link them here. In the mean time you may want to head over there and read them.
Basically they are real practical advice on how to cope when your heart is broken.
Secondly, it is now time to heal your marriage. while I have several articles on this topic, I'm going to post specifically about this tomorrow.
I know you are going through a really difficult time. I also know you will come out of it stronger and more healthy.
Think of it like a caterpillar who is dissolving into mush before it turns into a butterfly! (smile)
The process is not fun but ultimately you will find peace. I feel certain!
Big, big hugs to you sweetie... keep me posted!
Jennifer
hi there.. its me again, it seems i keep getting sucked back in. he is wishy-washy because sometimes he feels the guilt is too much- then he changes his mind and wants me again. i think in his mind its ok to just be physical with no emotion. this should be a perfect reason to get out of this but i cannot get him out of my head. help!
Hi Anonymous... thanks for writing!
It is often really difficult for women to pull away from a man even when they know they are being used.
See, what happens is for many women, having sex stimulates those bonding chemicals like seratonin and so we "attach" to the guy. For guys who use women, there is no such attachment. He is more like a dog who will take any available female. Do you have this visual? (smile)
Some part of your subconscious is trying to convince you that because this guy is having sex with you, he thinks highly of you, or cares for you. The exact opposite is true. I guarantee you. He thinks nothing of you other than someone who is an easy, convienent sex partner. Think free prostitute here. You are worth more than this! You deserve an honest and healthy relationship where you are valued and respected.
I've written quite a lot about this on my other blog: http://howtotellifaguyisajerk.blogspot,com. You may want to check it out the posts on being used!
The way to break out of this is to really focus on healing yourself and/or doing everything you can to feel great about yourself. The more you are authentically strong and the more you value yourself for who you are, the less this guy can use you.
Does that make sense? :-)
I'm with you sweetie! Hang in there K?
Big hugs,
Jennifer
i think part of the issue is.. we are not actually having sex. he is a family friend and the whole thing has been difficult, and heartwrenching and guilt ridden. some days he feels like he can be in it and somedays he doesnt. but regardless.. i know the situation is NOT GOOD for me or my family and i need to find some strength somewhere.
Hi Anonymous,
It seems to me that you both know your relationship is unhealthy and harming your marriages and families.
I would invite you to really seriously invest time and energy into your marriage and family. My last post addresses this point.
Even if you are tempted to return to the unhealthiness, if you decide to behave as if you were dedicated to your husband and family, you will find that your energy and devotion actually create the love that you may think is missing.
So, even if you don't feel excited about your marriage right now, do what you know you need to to be emotionally engaged it in.
I would suggest no contact to help you get through the separation but it sounds like that is difficult since you are family friends. Still, decide you will only communicate when you are in the presence of your husband, set some boundaries and hold to them.
I know it is not easy. It can be terribly difficult for sure nevertheless, you avoid that which you know is hurtful and unhealthy.
You know what addiction counselors often tell alcoholics? Stay five miles away from any location that serves alcohol. Why? Because the closer you get to the temptation the harder it is to resist.
At this point for you, it seems you need to find a way to remove yourself from the situation.
Again, the more you invest in truly healthy activities with your husband and family, the less you will have time and energy for an affair.
Having said all this... write me any time you are feeling tempted, or if you need a little cheerleading K?
You can do it, I know you can!
Jennifer
jennifer-hi there.. i'm in need of some "cheerleading" i think. our last conversation was friday morning. we had no contact over the weekend.. and when he called me on monday afternoon i did not answer. now i am dying to talk to him, wondering why he doesnt call, how it can be so easy for him to write off our friendship, and cut off communication. please tell me not to call or text! the thought of not talking is killing me, even though i know nothing he says can change our situation.
Hi Anonymous...
I'm so glad you wrote! I truly am.
OK...ready?
DON'T call or text! :-)
Don't do it! No matter what do not give in!
You have gone three days and I know you can keep it up! I know it!
I also know it is "killing" you to not call but I promise you will get over this. Right now you are in the most difficult stage of ending a relationship but it will get better and easier. I promise!
You are right that nothing can change the situation and your relationship will only cause a lot of pain and heartbreak in the future. I know you know this I am just trying to help you remember! :-)
How about doing something that will bring a smile to your face, or at least get you distracted for a while. This is not about denying or repressing but about helping you get through this time.
Call a friend who you haven't talked to for a while, read a super exciting book or watch an adventure movie, or whatever it is that can help you through the day. It may be that you surround yourself with your family so you don't have an opportunity to call or text. Or, have a friend take your phone charger away for a few days. :-)
Again, I know this isn't easy but take each hour at a time, or each moment if necessary! Just hold to the goal of not communicating for the rest of the day. Then tomorrow you do the same!
You've gone three days and don't want to have to start over right? Hold on sweetie!
Write me again, as often as you need to OK?
Big hugs,
Jen
ok-so he called and we talked but he was a jerk. now i feel like he has deserted me. i feel like he pursued me, got me to do something i NEVER would have done and then stomped on my heart.. and now doesnt even want to talk. told me he is "messed up". i feel like he owes me an explanation after turning my life upside down and how dare he just go on with his life! i know this is completely ridiculous thinking and you will help me see that.. your advice is really something to lean on. ;)
Hi Anonymous,
Ahhh lots of emotions must be flooding through you right now.
As always I am going to be really honest with you OK? There is a good side to this, as painful as it is and this is the fact that you are going to be able to end this relationship and move on more easily.
I know it hurts and your mind is probably swirling with memories and thoughts, all repeating over and over, but this is just the way we process crisis and pain.
The guy most likely is "messed up" and is needing to get his act together and that is about the only explanation he could give you.
But this doesn't help the pain. It sounds like you are hurting from not only the end of the relationship but also from feeling betrayed, while dealing with the guilt that comes from doing what you would never normally do.
It is a lot to take for sure.
But, you know I am going to tell you that you are going to be able to get through this right?
A little technique that may be helpful; try to turn the anger into gratitude. See if you can (even if you have to pretend to yourself for a minute), that you are really happy this guy ended the affair because now you are free to reengage in your husband and family.
I'm not suggesting it is easy but I'm wanting you to feel that you are on the way up, moving toward getting your life back, and healing your marriage, rather than just being stuck in a relationship that you know was only headed for trouble.
Feel free to vent here if you need to OK? I'm cheering for you and REALY want you to find the happiness and peace you deserve!
Big hugs,
Jennifer
hi there.. im just in need of some cheerleading. he returns from a business trip tomorrow. i havent spoken to him in a week. i am doing better, but if he tries to call i know i will get sucked back in. and i still feel like i deserve to know why he has treated me this way. i wish he would just move. =)
Hi, Jennifer and all,
I read through these posts and found them really helpful. I've ended a 15 month relationship with a married man. It's hard. My consolation is that I love him, I KNOW in my heart that I am doing the right thing, and I really want what is best for him. I want him to reconcile with his wife. I want him to finish raising his son in a 2 parent family. Do I regret the affair? Yes and no. When all is said and done, I'm glad that I knew him, I know I will miss him very much. If it had just been sex, it'd be different, but it was more.
Enough. I just needed to reach out and connect with other people. I know that his wife would be so hurt if she had found out. I know that cold turkey is the only way to do this. We can't be friends.
how is cold turkey going? i am trying to get there. caught in a situation that is never going anywhere that i fear i will always want. trying to put it into a "past place" is very hard.
Hi Anonymous, 3-11... I'm sorry I missed your comment until just now!
Are you doing OK?
Jen
Hi ODL...
Thanks for writing, I appreciate your comments so much.
Breaking off an affair is not an easy thing to do and I applaud your care and concern for everyone involved.
I admire your commitment to end the relationship and wish you the very best of luck in the future.
Big hugs,
Jennifer
Hi Anonymous, 3-19
I know it is not easy to end an affair cold turkey but it seems the most effective and healthy way to move on.
It takes going through the whole grieving process, and often lots of tears, but you get through it and you find a new life awaiting you.
Warmest wishes to you,
Jennifer
hi jennifer- i am doing ok i guess. apparently "he" has realized how unhappy he is, and says his marriage is in a real bad place right now. being involved would "complicate" things so that's why he has been treating me so on-and-off. this seems to be making it easier for me to see my life without him. but it seems everything my husband and i argue, i find myself wondering if i am doing the right thing. the truth is however, i know if i were with this other person, i would never trust him, and if we were both divorced, im still dont think we could be together... so it makes me wonder why i waste so much time thinking about him. im really trying to push the thoughts out of my brain and focus on my family. i just fear that 5 years from now ill still be wishing he and i would have had a real chance. because i do think if circumstances were different he might be my soulmate. i have never felt that, and it scares me to think i never will. will i ever be able to forget this whole situation and be fulfilled in my marriage? especially when this other person is always around?
HI Anonymous,
Glad you are doing OK! And I'm sure it is nice to know why this guy has been treating you poorly. Still, I know it is going to take some time to move beyond this... and you will. I'm sure of it. :-)
Humans seem to go through a process to face "reality" when we don't really want to. We hold onto hope, fantasize, try to make things happen, etc. etc., then at some point we come to terms with what will not be and it is really the beginning of moving on.
At this point, we are left with all sorts of questions, concerns, doubts; we wonder how we can manage or what is ahead and as we all know, facing uncertainty is not easy. Dealing with the familiar is easier even when it is not ideal.
The good news is, you can create the future you want. Once you come to accept that this affair is over, you will grieve but then you will become strong and a new more healthy life will emerge.
I have a little thought on soul mates for you... they are made not found. :-) I don't know how the universe/God/Source work, but I think those beautiful relationships that seem to endure through decades where couples grow together and where marriage becomes a deep and etheral intimacy happen because of the attention, time, energy, and love that are given, not just because of a random meeting of a particular person. (smile)
My point is, your marriage will be what you and your husband make it. The more you invest in it, the better it will be.
I know it will take time and even some struggle to move forward but I believe with all my heart it is possible for you to have a beautiful and fulfilling marriage.
I'm holding out lots of hope and best wishes for you!
Hugs,
Jennifer
Jennifer,
im back and still struggling. we had not spoken or seen each other in several weeks. then today i get a phone call. he is moving out, getting a divorce. doesnt want me though. doesnt even express that. its starting to make sense now.. he says he was trying to protect me, but really he just did not want any attachments because now he's going to be "free". my brain knows he is not good for me and NOT worth blowing up my life for, but i am still so sad. the thought of never being with him again makes me feel so strange.. its like a mix of depression anger confusion and hatred. any words of motivation would be helpful.
im so angry at him for sucking me in and then shitting on me.
i am a mess. he is leaving his wife, but not for me. why is this the only thing i can think about? why cant i focus on putting my marriage back together and my beautiful kids? i am so sad that this man i thought cared about me, really didnt. it was all just about him, what he wanted, and when things got messy he just discarded me. believe it or not, i want to go back in time, i want to be with him just one more time. i miss what he gave me so much. even though i know he is so not worth it. how ridiculous is that?? he is so caught up in his world imploding right now that he wants nothing to do with me. how am i going to get over this?
Firstly, Anonymous: My heart goes out to you. I know you feel like your world has shattered. You are so strong and brave to keep going with everyday life. Hang in there and love yourself, be strong. Joy will come to you.
Jennifer, I just want to thank you with all my heart. I was about to embark on an affair with a man who says he is crazy about me. I have been praying to come out of this insanity, my husband adores me and it would destroy him if he found out.
Your points about the chemical addictive nature of these attractions have been so healing. I truly have felt as if I had lost control of my mind; could never be where I was, only obsessing over mental images of sex with this guy.
I want to end it tonight, send an email before he comes over to this country next week. End it before we 'consummate' it for real. You have helped me to stop and think about how I am polluting my soul and my marriage.
We have been together 20 years, and my man is 18 years older than me, totally single-minded about loving me - we have no kids.
This other man came to me last year, he was a friend and my yoga guru. I felt flattered...alive again...desirable after my menopause. (Although my husband makes it clear he still desires me and is a generous and good lover).
The other man and I have exchanged steamy emails (although I notice how his are always completely sexual and never address my worries or doubts about going ahead).
I want to write to him tonight, now. But but but....this might be my last chance for a fling, I am 48, through the menopause early,and although slim, busty, OK-looking, warm, witty...well, so they say!, I am sad to think I won't attract men any more in a few years. HOw shallow am I?
What I really want is to cleanse my heart and mind and body of this man, and to pour myself into my work, my life, my yoga, my relationships.
Please excuse this rambling comment, it is easing my heart after weeks of anguish.
Thank you Jennifer. You are truly intuitive and empathetic - please don´t ever stop your work - we need you! xx
Hi Anonymous 4-13,14,
How are you doing sweetie?
I'm so sorry I missed your last two comments until today. Are you doing OK?
I know how difficult this whole situation has been for you... I hope you are finding some peace.
Please let me know...
Lots of love,
Jennifer
Hi Anonymous 5-8,
Thank you for writing and I am sooo happy you have decided to remain in your beautiful marriage and live in harmony with your deepest light.
You reflect what so many women go through as menopause totally alters life... all those changes and transitions and tranformations! :-) It is not an easy time and for many women it creates all sorts of confusion and emotional upheavals! (smile) You sound so insightful and aware, what a gift you have!
I want you to know how deeply grateful I am for you writing and letting me know our paths have crossed in such a lovely way!
Blessings and love to you sweetie,
Jennifer
Hi Jennifer-
i am hanging in there i guess. he has moved on clearly, moved out of his house, left his family. he says he cut me out of this life to protect me. while i suspect it was really because he was going to be single and knew we could never be together. either way.. i now realize what a HUGE mistake i have made.. thinking i could EVER trust him, i would have been completely miserable. had we been 25 and single it would have been wonderful, but maybe only for a little while, and clearly that is not reality. reality is i have a family i should be focusing on. this definitely amplified the fact that we had problems in our marriage that needed to be fixed. my husband knows that now and is better, although he does not know about my situation. i have not seen the other person since late february so in his mind it has been over for a while. everynow and then he pops into my head and i have to remind myself he is so not worth it, i feel like he used me to find the confidence to leave his wife. i think he has probably moved on to someone else. so now i am left with anger and a huge amount of guilt.. how could i let someone like this influence me to be unfaithful in my marriage? how do i go on and live a happy and fulfilling marriage with my husband knowing i have this secret? i know i have to put it behind me and live in the present so that is what i am trying to do. and it is getting easier a day at a time. i now know i was not living in my "real world" at all, it was destructive and only made me miserable.. the few moments of happiness were just a fleeting emotional high and like you said "chemical" not anything REAL. real is clothes on the floor, kids running around the house, financial problems, etc. i am learning to embrace that my husband is the better person.. and while he is not blameless in all of this.. (he had a "friendship" with a woman, that i believe drove us apart in the first place) i am hoping in 50 years i will look back on this as something that made our marriage better.
thats my update.. i have set backs every now and then when i see the other person, but im hoping those feelings will eventually go away.
Hi Anonymous,
Thanks for the update! You sound like you are on the road to healing.
I do think in time you will come to see this episode as a bump in the long road of a loving and beautiful relationship! :-)
I think your example is a good one demonstrating that when one is in the middle of these sorts of relationships, it is not easy to see things clearly, often it takes removing oneself from the situation or stepping back to really evalutate what is going on and what we really want. Yeah, reality is not the fantasy we see in the movies! :-)
I'm so happy you have moved on, and as painful as it all was/is, I know you will feel better as time goes on!
Thank you again for sharing your journey with us, I'm pretty sure your story is helping others!
Love and best wishes,
Jennifer
hello to all,
thank you for these post.
I am in a terrible situation that involves so many lives. I am married, and have been having an affair with a married man for a couple of years, I do love him and I know he loves me, he is willing to leave his wife for me, he said he will live in a different house and be close to his kids everyday.
he told her that he don't love her and want to leave, but she could never know who is leaving her for, our situation is very difficult.
I have been abuse in my marriage and lean on him when I need comfort, we started our relationship because of my husband behavious he was in so many ways my saviour, who I could always depend on. Lately I realize that I can't live a life of lies and dishonesty, I can't hurt my husband, It will hurt me so much to know that this man will have to leave his wife and his young children. After talking to him and telling him how I feel, he is left devasted. He is so heartbroken. I feel so horrible for doing this to him, he said that I crushed his heart, and his dreams.
I am so confuse, I am tired of this pain. I feel so lifeless.
Sorry for my errors, Everything is falling apart. When I have a breakdown I call him, I feel the need to hear his voicemail, I can't stop expressing to him how I feel through emails. I know I am making things even more difficult by doing this but I can't seem stop. I no longer have the urge to eat, I feel guilty when I do because I know he is in so much pain. I feel like punishing myself for doing this to him, because for so many years I believe that this relationship will work out. We had so many dreams of having a life together.
He is so amazing we share everything together, he is willing to give up everything for me. But I cannot loose my marriage, I know it can work, I love my husband dearly. We do have problems but it is much better now, I feel guilty when I'm with my husband because I feel like I'm being unfaithful to my lover. So Lies cover lies, and that is what is painful.
I know deep down that I have to do this. If I know he's okay it will be easier for me to function everday, inside I'm dying.. I cover up my feelings I hide my pain... No one knows my pain..But how long can I do this?
This is not God's will, so why it is so difficult.
Please help.
Thank you.
Jennifer...
I am doing so well now... I feel like my marriage can be better than ever. And clearly the affair was a major mistake.. although i have to believe it happened for a reason. HE is already divorced and dating another person he was "friends" with during our "whatever the hell it was". i sometimes feel like a complete fool. he is still friends with my husband.. which makes it hard.. i feel like he should respect us and stay out of our life. but clearly this ia a person who knew i was vulnerable and used me. what is hard now is the guilt- feeling like how can i build a trusting marriage again when i have this secret... this major lie. but the problem is, if my husband finds out there is no marriage. he would never believe what i feel for him is real. the good news is... i now realize, i was attracted to the other person because our marriage was suffering. my husband was not a saint either, but regardless i do believe he loves me and we communicate more.. and get along better now.. so im hoping i can put this behind me eventually.
So I suppose that I may be in the wrong place here as I am on the other side of the equation. Ive been the "other" woman to a man for over a year now. Ive tried everything to try and end it but he always comes back to me even when I begged him to not contact me. He admits that when we first met, he was unhappy in marriage with the pressures of possibly trying to have a baby with his wife. He doesnt want children and she does. But now, he claims that she is willing to sacrifice that for him. We've both ended it numerous times only to end up in the same place again. Honestly, Im getting so tired of being there for him and getting crumbs of his time and watching his life as an outsider. I told him that its all or nothing and thats how it needs to be but he says hes torn between us. He says that hes in love with both of us and she doesnt deserve to be hurt and leaving her will devastate her and hes willing to sacrifice his own happiness in order to save hers. This doesnt make sense to me. If my spouse was unhappy with me, Id want to know. It all seems like a joke. To me its a simple decision. But he says that I only want to see it my way. Im sorry but if you love someone, you dont cheat on them. He claims that shes such an amazing person and he had to have married her for a reason. So then why cheat? Hes also insanely jealous if he even hears about me talking to a guy. Ive been faithful to him most of this time. But even if he hears about me talking to a male friend, he loses it. I dont understand any of this or how I got here. Ive been considering seeing someone because Im really depressed over this situation. I dont even want to wake up in the morning or do anything. I know you wont have sympathy for me because I did it to myself. I just dont know how to get away from it. I honestly do love him but at this point somethings gotta give.
Hi,
Feels so good to have found this post, I have been searching google to just find something to make me feel less alone.
I am a 27 year old female having an affair with a 45 year old married woman. We have been having this affair for 2 years now and it feels like I am at a point of crawling walls. My friends no longer want to hear about it, but im still stuck in it and I still can't find my great escape.
They invited me into their marriage as an "experience" and I guess from that moment on we "fell in love". She is a very successful, romantic and gorgeous woman, who you'd think would not harm a soul, however I feel wrecked. I have tried to end it on so many occasions, and each time the longing becomes unbearable and we get back in contact.
She tells me I am her true love and soul mate and she can't feel the way for her husband as she does for me, but her actions don't seem to match her love notes or words. She has said that if she had to leave her husband it would not be a quick process as they have a 10 year history and all I do is live in hope every day as I believe in the core of me that she is my true love.
But it has been 2 years, I mean wouldn't you know by now what you would want to do? Is she playing me? holding me for her muse and entertainment? does she just need more time ? the questions are endless.
And I have seem to run out of time. I have always had self worth issues, I guess that is how I landed up here but I have become suicidal over the last year, and it is something I have never experienced. I have so much going for myself, great job, loads of friends, many talents etc. However I don't know if this affair is the reason I have ended up so low, but all I know is ever since it started it has driven me into the ground.
I don't know why Im exactly writing this, maybe to share my story. I really hope people think twice before getting involved in something like this. It is so emotionally dangerous. And before you know it, it's so difficult to escape from or maybe Im just a love fool.
I have no idea how this will end, or when, I just wish myself all the courage in the world to make my break and start respecting myself again.
Thank you for all sharing your stories... it gave me some fight back. x x x
Juliette
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A new day
If you wake under a new born moon tomorrow
Will you notice not just the task but how your heart belongs to everything and nothing?
would it seem senseless to walk through this day differently even if it meant tasting water with a new mouth?
and if the night fell without shades, would you be fearless in the dark with only those voices left
you were never sure about?
Would it be enough to have just this day?
And will you find the end of the world like this?
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Hi Jennifer, Everyone.
Jennifer, you're a saint for helping out everyone with your advice and encouragement.
I'm on the other side, a married male who had an affair with a married female over the past 5 years. We each have 2 kids. We fell in love 5 years ago and moved into a physical relationship after a year. She moved away with her family 3 years ago and we've been emailing each other every day since.
She ended it today. She wanted to focus on being a good mother to her children and thought that what we were doing to be in conflict with that.
We love each other but realise that our families are more important. Our affair was up and down as you would expect. Being in love with someone you can never be with is soul destroying. I know all this but it doesn't make it any easier.
I'm going cold turkey. I'm at ground zero now and all I feel is unbearable pain and anger.
I want to reconnect with my wife who deserves so much more than someone like me. I can't wait to try and fall in love with my wife all over again but I miss my lover so much that I'm finding it hard to breathe. Sometimes I wish I could wake up and realise that it was just a bad dream and we hadn't broken up at all.
Intellectually I know we're doing the right thing for our families but God it hurts so much right now. I feel as if my heart has broken into a thousand pieces and will never heal. I know that pain is a necessary part of grieving but it's one thing saying it and quite another going through it. I just want the pain to go away.
I too am a married man who has been involved in a long-term ( 5 year ) affair with a married woman;we both have children. It is clear to both of us that our affair is ending. The advice, comments and encouragement here are such a help to me.
I am at a place similar to the last post from Hurting in NY. We are just ending it and the pain feels unbearable; I feel destroyed. Something he wrote though, is going to be such a help to me, "Being in love with someone you can never be with is soul destroying". It is.
Throughout our affair we indulged the fantasy of divorcing our spouses and moving forward with a life together. It does happen that way for some people, we see that everyday. But, so many years later, it's clear that this wasn't happening for us. We each made some moves away from our spouses, but still we never made the space for ourselves. Regardless of the reasons, the fact is that we have each stayed married. The fantasy of a future together was always lovely, but it never came to be and we have each stayed married. Living with the struggles of two emotional relationships is not the place to be; "Being in love with someone you can never be with is soul destroying".
If anyone that is considering an affair is reading this post, I want to offer you this point of view. No matter what you do, you can not escape the pain of loss. An affair simply masks the pain and problems in a marriage, but you will eventually experience loss. Whether it's a loss of your marriage, the loss of the affair, or both. As Jennifer and many others describe, the rush of attraction can be amazingly strong, but you will get caught it it's undertow. If you want to avoid the pain, avoid the affair. Make a decision about your relationship, even if a divorce is necessary, and be free and clear at all times before getting involved with someone. Doing it any other way, simply amplify's the pain, the struggle and the difficulty.
I confessed the affair to my spouse and we are now talking more than ever before about our marriage. I don't know that the marriage can be saved, but being open and honest is a tremendous relief to me.
Hi
I am just in the process of getting my head around ending an affair that has been going on with a man for over a year. he is witty, charming, and definately all that i thought i ever wanted in a man- and very married. It wasnt an intentional sexual relationship, but it turned out that way - and I know the RIGHT thing to do, im just finding it so very hard to do it. thanks for your comments, and helping me realize i need to be much much stronger .
Barbara-Ann, I am in your exact situation. It is almost unbelievable how many of us otherwise smart women end up in this position.
I have been in a relationship with a married man who is also my colleague for over two years (I feel at this point, it is important to state that it would be impossible for us to not spend time alone together as it is an integral part of our work). I love my job and our professional relationship is very important to me.
He too is witty, charming, intelligent, and has become (and was before the affair) a dear friend. I am an otherwise considerate person and do not want to be his 'mistress', the woman that is selfish enough to conduct such a relationship, but the affection I have for him is so powerful. I would want him to remain a friend if I was to end the relationship, as I genuinely care for him and believe he would want the same.
It is very difficult to stop having these feelings for someone, however wrong they are or ashamed they make you feel. Above all, I know that there is no perfect ending available to me at present and I know that I deserve much better.
Please help me find the strength.
Hi
I dont know if there is a way i can remain friends - I see him and fall all over again. Im still trying to end this, and find myself missing him every day. I cound the HOURS i havnt tried to contact him. I havent made days yet.. its coming tho.
I agree that even the smart woman can fall into this.. i did.
I know exactly what you mean.
I haven't really addressed the issue with him yet but contact has lessened and I saw him professionally yesterday. It feels very strange not to have a goodnight message or general contact with him.
I know. I have stopped almost all communcation with him. I changed job locations- so its easier and I dont have to see him everyday now.
It is hard when you go from talking to them every day- sharing all the things we did - to nothing. I am in love with him. There. Thats the crux of it. If I could convince myself that he was just some "guy" who walked into my life, I could let go. I miss our conversations most. He was insightful and it made me think. I miss that so much.
I know he'll never leave his family for me, and I dont want to be the stoopid one who keeps chasing my tail. Would I start this thing if I knew how it would end... Maybe. Isnt that sad?
I told my husband about my online
"affair" back on October 31st and even though he knew about it, in detail, he didn't tell me to stop talking to the person because he knew that the other man made me happy. Sounds like we need some therapy, doesn't it? However, because of this fact, it's more difficult for me to end it. In fact, my husband and I actually get along better and there's nothing sexual going on with me and the other man. We just love each other. Am I really having an affair???
I started a romantic affair 11 months ago with my best friends husband and my husbands best friend. Our children adore each other and act more like cousins than friends.
Our love seems so true and it we both feel like we were made for each other. We see each other a few times a week in the evening and then act normal when we are all together, but it is honestly becoming exhausting keeping this lie going.
I have tried so many times to end our affair and it seems like I always get sucked back into it. He is ready to leave her, but I can't let him do it. I guess that when reality sets in I get scared. It would KILL me to hurt her or my husband. I think of all of the heartache it would cause and I become so depressed. On one hand I hate myself for what I am doing and don't feel worthy of the marriage or friendship and on the other hand I feel like his love is all I need. I am beyond confused and I know that I need some help. I don't know where to turn or what to do. I haven't told a soul of what is going on, I would hate to see the disgust in anyone's eyes. How I could be so selfish and start this affair is beyond me... We have said that in a few years that we would both end our marriages quietly and then we could be together without any thinking anything. We would just say that after the divorces we started dating...
Please give me advice, how do I end this situation and move on? How do I tell him it is over? Our families spend so much time together that I feel like we have to hang out or someone will become suspicious and I DON'T want to lose my husband and children. I don't want to hurt anyone.
"Being in love with someone you can never be with is soul destroying." ... this comment made me gasp a little.
I never thought I'd be in this spot - educated, well-liked, strong in my faith, sensible - but here I am and this blog is the only connection I have b/c I can't talk to anyone I know, and I am trying desperately not to call or text him.
We both have fairly good marriages with children. First time for me, third for him, though not with his second wife.
He had a startling wake up call recently when he almost got caught by his wife who doesn't fully believe the excuse he gave her. Scared him into reality. I respect his need to pull back, but I have not felt this type of pain for decades.
Maybe part of it is that i want him to want me - deeply selfish, I know. I really do enjoy being around him and he fills (filled) a void that my marriage was lacking. The last few times we have spoken he has been kind, but he has stopped calling me back when he says confidently that he will. I need to let go. I haven't texted or called in 24 hours. I am sad his voicemails will expire off my phone within the next 14 days - how's that for crazy?
Please remind me not to call or text him, okay?
I thank the universe (and Jennifer!) for leading me to this site. I had no idea there are so many of us with similar stories, all damaged and in intense pain. The support shown on this site is wonderful, rather than judging us for being selfish and immoral. Bless each and every one of you, we are going through hell and quite possibly the hardest time we have faced in our lives.
I am currently at the lowest point of a two year affair. It is disabling every element of my being and my life. I am a professional woman in my mid-forties, with everything going for me, yet I am disabled by what I have allowed to happen.
My story is similar to many others here, although there has never been any expectation of my lover leaving his family, so at least I haven't ever clung to that hope I suppose. However, I am tired and soul-destroyed after so many lies and hurt, so little effort put into the relationship, and I am now feeling the humiliation of finding out yet more lies.
A few months ago I had the shock of finding out his wife was pregnant by seeing her (she is a teacher at my son's school). I had no idea. I confronted him and was told she was "almost 12 weeks" and because there had been problems he didn't want to tell me until they were sure it was going to be okay. I fell for it.
Just last week I noticed his car wasn't at his place of work, so I txted him to ask if he had the day off. He replied that the baby had come early, that there were complications etc etc. I feel for it.
I now see the happy family picture in the paper, a big bouncing baby clearly born at term. My hurt is because it is obvious we were intimate at a time when his wife was pregnant, although I didn't know it. I might add that when I knew she was pregnant I refused to be intimate with him as I couldn't live with myself having that knowledge. I am also hurt because he couldn't let me know the baby was born, obviously because he had to cover up his lies about how pregnant she really was.
I am so tired of getting crumbs, of being manipulated (allowing myself to be manipulated), of being a sex object, of being hostage to my hurt feelings.
Any suggestions of how to begin healing myself would be received with much gratitude. Love to you all, I believe we are caring, beautiful, sensitive women who have found ourselves in hell.
I thank the universe (and Jennifer!) for leading me to this site. I had no idea there are so many of us with similar stories, all damaged and in intense pain. The support shown on this site is wonderful, rather than judging us for being selfish and immoral. Bless each and every one of you, we are going through hell and quite possibly the hardest time we have faced in our lives.
I am currently at the lowest point of a two year affair. It is disabling every element of my being and my life. I am a professional woman in my mid-forties, with everything going for me, yet I am disabled by what I have allowed to happen.
My story is similar to many others here, although there has never been any expectation of my lover leaving his family, so at least I haven't ever clung to that hope I suppose. However, I am tired and soul-destroyed after so many lies and hurt, so little effort put into the relationship, and I am now feeling the humiliation of finding out yet more lies.
A few months ago I had the shock of finding out his wife was pregnant by seeing her (she is a teacher at my son's school). I had no idea. I confronted him and was told she was "almost 12 weeks" and because there had been problems he didn't want to tell me until they were sure it was going to be okay. I fell for it.
Just last week I noticed his car wasn't at his place of work, so I txted him to ask if he had the day off. He replied that the baby had come early, that there were complications etc etc. I feel for it.
I now see the happy family picture in the paper, a big bouncing baby clearly born at term. My hurt is because it is obvious we were intimate at a time when his wife was pregnant, although I didn't know it. I might add that when I knew she was pregnant I refused to be intimate with him as I couldn't live with myself having that knowledge. I am also hurt because he couldn't let me know the baby was born, obviously because he had to cover up his lies about how pregnant she really was.
I am so tired of getting crumbs, of being manipulated (allowing myself to be manipulated), of being a sex object, of being hostage to my hurt feelings.
Any suggestions of how to begin healing myself would be received with much gratitude. Love to you all, I believe we are caring, beautiful, sensitive women who have found ourselves in hell.
Sandy,
I'm glad you posted - I wasn't sure if this blog was very active anymore.
I see that when I posted before I asked for strength not to call him. Well I didn't that day, but that night he called me, began talking normally, then purposefully transition to a different phone "purpose", and I went along and did what he wanted over the phone for him. Then, characteristically, he ended the call quickly thereafter saying we both needed to get some sleep. Really? How desperate was/am I? He's not worth it, but I'm not shaking this well. He has awakened something in me that my sort-of-previously sexless marriage did not. ironically, my marriage is far from sexless now - I'm initiating daily and it's going pretty well now.
So why not let go? I feel like I am in love with him, but if I "loved" him I wouldn't be cheating with him and- I'd want what is best for him and both our spouses. He is magnetic and makes/made me feel so attractive. Is this a mid-40's woman's trend??
He is off work this week, and I have not heard from him in 5 days. I think this is his way of breaking clean. This pain is rough - but I will continue to think about moving on with my normal life and remembering to NOT glamorize what was often frustrating and unfulfilling as I got only "scraps" of him.
I rediscovered this Wilson Phillips song yesterday - it is helping:
"Hold On"
I know this pain
Why do lock yourself up in these chains?
No one can change your life except for you.
Don't ever let anyone step all over you.
Just open your heart and your mind
Is it really fair to feel this way inside?
Some day somebody's gonna make you want to
turn around and say goodbye.
Until then baby are you going to let them. (!!!)
Hold you down and make you cry,
Don't you know?
Don't you know things can change
Things'll go your way,
If you hold on for one more day.
Can you hold on for one more day?
Things'll go your way,
Hold on for one more day.
You could sustain.
Or are you comfortable with the pain? (!!!)
You've got no one to blame for your unhappiness.
You got yourself into your own mess.
Lettin' your worries pass you by
Don't you think it's worth your time,
To change your mind?
I know that there is pain.
But you hold on for one more day and break free the chains.
Yeah I know that there is pain,
But you hold on for one more day and you break free, break from the chains.
(repeat chorus)
I never really knew what those words were saying until now. I especially like the part about us 'getting ourselves into our own mess,' - how true!
Let's break free and quit getting stepped all over!
Sandy,
I'm glad you posted - I wasn't sure if this blog was very active anymore.
I see that when I posted before I asked for strength not to call him. Well I didn't that day, but that night he called me, began talking normally, then purposefully transition to a different phone "purpose", and I went along and did what he wanted over the phone for him. Then, characteristically, he ended the call quickly thereafter saying we both needed to get some sleep. Really? How desperate was/am I? He's not worth it, but I'm not shaking this well. He has awakened something in me that my sort-of-previously sexless marriage did not. ironically, my marriage is far from sexless now - I'm initiating daily and it's going pretty well now.
So why not let go? I feel like I am in love with him, but if I "loved" him I wouldn't be cheating with him and- I'd want what is best for him and both our spouses. He is magnetic and makes/made me feel so attractive. Is this a mid-40's woman's trend??
He is off work this week, and I have not heard from him in 5 days. I think this is his way of breaking clean. This pain is rough - but I will continue to think about moving on with my normal life and remembering to NOT glamorize what was often frustrating and unfulfilling as I got only "scraps" of him.
I rediscovered this Wilson Phillips song yesterday - it is helping:
"Hold On"
I know this pain
Why do lock yourself up in these chains?
No one can change your life except for you.
Don't ever let anyone step all over you.
Just open your heart and your mind
Is it really fair to feel this way inside?
Some day somebody's gonna make you want to
turn around and say goodbye.
Until then baby are you going to let them. (!!!)
Hold you down and make you cry,
Don't you know?
Don't you know things can change
Things'll go your way,
If you hold on for one more day.
Can you hold on for one more day?
Things'll go your way,
Hold on for one more day.
You could sustain.
Or are you comfortable with the pain? (!!!)
You've got no one to blame for your unhappiness.
You got yourself into your own mess.
Lettin' your worries pass you by
Don't you think it's worth your time,
To change your mind?
I know that there is pain.
But you hold on for one more day and break free the chains.
Yeah I know that there is pain,
But you hold on for one more day and you break free, break from the chains.
(repeat chorus)
I never really knew what those words were saying until now. I especially like the part about us 'getting ourselves into our own mess,' - how true!
Let's break free and quit getting stepped all over!
(ps - sorry to post twice - the first time I got an error message that it was too long and I assumed it didn't go through.)
Hi Katie, I can understand exactly what you are feeling and going through. Over and over, our stories are all the same. I hope your week has been okay and that you are coping. At times it is a struggle just to get through the day.
I loved the lyrics of Hold On - thank you so much, reading them gave me strength. How insightful.
I have been up and down over the last week, I am determined to move through the pain and not allow myself to be manipulated back into the same old familiar hell. I haven't made or responded to any contact for a week now, and that time has been a circuit breaker in my head and heart to be stronger.
I've also had some lovely times with true friends, they've allowed me to cry and talk and be myself. I hope you have someone to support you too.
Love and peace.
I have been in an relationship with a married man for a year and a half, it has been the best time of my life, well except for all the times he has told me he cannot do this anymore,which has been about 5 times already this year and each time he contacts me and we hook back up. Yes, I have/had gotten to the point of almost begging him to not end it.
Well, yes you guessed it, I am married to and my marriage has been a wreck since day one. I have been married for 6 years. I recently left my husband and moved to my own place. Yep my guy was here helping me a few times to get the place together and talking on how we can make it work with him here too. Well the day I completely left home, and moved in, he was to visit his attorney and file, well, he textd me and told me he cancelled the meeting and he was going home that was Friday. I packed up all his stuff and took it to him today. I asked him to just give it a few more months, (yes I cannot let go). He told me no he can't do it anymore. He does not love his wife but he cannot deal with the painful look on her face during their talks of divorce. He just cannot hurt her. He states he loves me. and it just kills him to leave me somehow I don't believe him anymore. I think this time I am going to be ok, I am sooo tired, of this happening every few weeks/months I am just tired of all everything I need some me time and some space to think about my actions. I just want to find out why I let this happen to myself, I have a great job, great adult kids.
I have not regretted leaving my husband,(we have not filed for divorce) but after reading these messages I think I might get myself some counseling to find out why I have allowed this to go on for so long. But like I said it was the most amazing time in my life, I love this man with my heart and being so I told him I hope he and his wife can find some kind of peace together and he can be happy with her. They have been together for 30 years. SHAME ON ME...
Now I need to heal from the pain of loosing him, and the shame I feel for what I have done. Life is funny... you know the saying what goes around comes around. My husband is at home not knowing any of this but crying and wanting this to work out between us. I am at my place crying over my lover leaving me....Maybe I have not given my spouse his fair share in this relationship. I have my own place for a year, so I have a lot of time to heal and work on myself so if I do go back to him I will be the best I can be. I guess I deserve to be happy too.
Anonymous, the pain and insecurity we feel, the second-guessing, the guilt, the exhaustion ... it is so hard. Let's not consume ourselves with self-loathing, we all need to feel loved and desired and these men fill that void. But it comes at such a heavy price that it is definitely not worth it. We need to spend our time and energy on people and activities that make us feel good, not used.
Good on you for being strong enough to have the insight to realise some harsh facts, and for taking the time to be by yourself. Time is a great healer, it's often all we have to help us heal. I just know that I don't want to be wasting any more years of my life in turmoil. The ups and downs, the on and offs, the longing and questioning ... it can turn into years of the same thing.
I see myself as an "addict" to him and the situation. It's going to be a long hard road to recovery, there'll be ups and downs and days when I'm weak and vulnerable to relapsing. I don't think we'll ever really "get over it", we'll just learn to live with the illness.
But we will find joy, we will be better people and we will be proud of ourselves for having the strength to change our lives.
Does anyone have any advice about ending an affair when the other person is very intense and passionate and says they can't go on without you - and has already tried to end their life once before when I tried to finish? A few friends I have confided in get very angry about this and tell me this is selfish and is not my choice - it is his. But that is all very well to say when you aren't the person who may have to live with the guilt and sadness forever if something did happen? I have to finish and have been trying to, but am terrifed of what may happen? I already feel terribly guilty enough for being a "nice girl" who has got herself into this mess; for the pain it is causing him and me; and for possible consequences of his despair. I too am in despair, but I can't and don't want to leave my husband either. I wish I didn't care for an love two people at the same time. I don't know how I got myself into this. And don't know how to get myself out of it either. Any advice appreciated. Thanks.
Hi Jennifer,
I am so glad I stumbled across your site!! Need help!! I am married with two small children and recently met a man whilst out one night. We talked every day on the phone for a week and then met up and took things further. Now he has said that he is not comfortable with the whole situation and doesnt think that we should communicate anymore. I totally agree with this but I am struggling because we seem to have such a connection and we can talk for hours about anything! I feel like I have lost my best friend. Not sure what to do. Any thoughts would be appreciated!!
Dear Mom of 2 small children,
It is so understandable why his attention and affection are so appealing and comforting. I believe the stage of motherhood you are now in is the most difficult, at least in my own retrospect. Our years as Moms of young children are often exhausting, seemingly mundane, and sometimes not very stimulating. Then ... enter Prince Charming (and I mean CHARMING) and he takes us to a new world. A world where diapers don't soil and our spoken words are actually listened to and appreciated. Throw in some intimate, physical contact, and what's not to enjoy? Finally, some warm fuzzies in our tummy.
However, there STILL is no such thing as a free lunch. The price if those good feelings is a dose of withdrawal pain (btw - the dose of pain equals 2-times the size of the previous "good" feelings). So, speaking to you from an unfortunately more experienced situation, cling to your children and cling even tighter to your husband. You will greatly increase your chances of true and peace-filled love.
Good news/bad news: You are not alone - but you are responsible for your choices. Ouch.
Please take care and guard your heart in the future.
Listen to "Corner of Your Heart" , by Ingrid Michaelson. It pretty much (hauntingly realistic)summarizes the feelings shared by mostly all of these women in these posts who are suffering from the desperation and pain in an extramarital relationship where we have to hide being in this relationship and how "we" would do just about anything-sacrifice so many good things in our lives just to live in the "Corner of (your lover's)heart." Just a "corner" of his heart-not his whole heart. Other women in previous posts have mentioned getting "scraps" or " crumbs" from their lovers, just to be in their lives, even if it's demeaning and we even compromise the quality and integrity of our own lives...is this how desperate we have become? It hurts so deeply when we realize how much of our own lives we have forsaken for months, years, just to be on the "sidelines". Please listen of you get a chance
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBU_GgE3xc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Listening to this song and reading these posts today have really created a soul awakening for me and have given me the strength to end all of this suffering and to live in truth and to get back on the path of truth.
May God Bless All of you Dear Ones. Lessons Learned. We All must Forgive Ourselves , Move On, And Live for Truth.
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It's amazing to me that all of you smart ladies are going through the same thing. I can't seem to find the strength to end. I hear how painful it is from all of you and think that status quo isn't that bad.
My husband and I are in couples therapy. It has been amazingly helpful. We are getting along so much better and I love him.
The lover helped me in my job. I believe if i close the door to many professional chances to do what I love and that scares me.
We started two years ago and I found out the next day from a stranger that his wife was pregnant. I ended it only to go back again. When she was in the hospital he was with me.
Two hours doesn't go by where we are not in communication. I tried an experiment yesterday to dial back and felt sick to my stomach. I have small children, he has two with his second wife and two grown ones from his first.
He has always said that he will never leave me and that I will have to be the one to leave. I know it's the right thing to do but love our relationship so much. I wish we could just be friends. Help.
Sick to Stomach
Hurting in NY
Hi there. It's been over a year since I posted here. I just wanted to let everyone know how the past year has gone. Hopefully it helps.
The first few days were spent in a haze. I didn't know or care where I was. I found that being kind to myself was the best thing. Indulging myself & doing what I felt like eg - eating good food, watching escapist movies (not romcoms, they'll make you feel worse), shopping splurge, just spoil yourself for a couple of days.
The first month after the breaking of the affair was horrible. Heartbroken, hurt, confused, the pain just seemed to go on and on. But knowing that I would survive I just pressed on despite the numbing hurt I felt. Put as much time between you and the break-up as you can, every day things get better, slowly but surely.
Words of advice - no contact with your affair partner, no matter what - chances are you'll end up back at square 1 and have to go through the pain and healing process again.
It took me three months or so to move on emotionally. Then things got better rapidly. I'm happier now than when I was having the affair. What I wrote last year about being in love with someone you can never be with is true. Looking back it was frustrating and insanity inducing. It was a "no-win" situation and I was a lot happier once that relationship ended.
I still think of her often but I no longer feel the sharp sting of loss.
I know I will always love her and I still hope there is a miniscule chance that maybe one day we can be together if God allows. But for now and the distant future I focus on my marriage and family trying to be the best husband, father and person I can be.
You may be in a situation where all you feel is unbearable pain which will never go away. It does and it will. Time and Distance are your two best friends and will heal you like nothing else can. Good luck and God Bless.
I need help
i stumbled upon this blog and it sounds like a very nice respectful truthful site.
ok here goes, i have been having an affair with my boss for the last year. we recently decided to end it, we are both married, him not so happily, but loves his kids and doesnt want to harm them. me, i thought i was happily married.... obviously not so happy.
I have known this man for 15 years, worked with him for 12 years at a bigger office, then he went out on his own, i started working for him after a year on his own, then after 2 years of working together the affair started. they was always a spark between us, fellow co workers always thought we were having an affair because of our relationship. but it was always platonic until the last year. i even worked alone with him in his house, and it was platonic. he is a wonderful man, treats me like a queen. still does after he ended it. he could not deal with the stuggle of having the affair, his heart versus his head. i am married to a wonderful man, who works his life away, i have every material thing a woman could ask for and am still not happy..... i am dying inside, i want to be with boss, but know in my head it is not possible. how do i cope?
Its me again, affair with boss.
Thought you could use a little more information. I cannot quit my job, he pays me an enourmous amount of money, i could not explain to my husband why i would want to leave as he believes i love my job. and i do. just very hard spending so much time with boss one on one... after the split. i think he is as tore up as i am, he still has to have a hug in the morning and before i leave, but has made it firm that is as far as it will go. he always makes sure he is back at office so we can go to lunch everyday, and is back before i leave. In my head i know it is over, but not in my heart.
yes end it up abruptly, do not think long about the consequences. you may regret it later but there will be no way back anyway
I have found this site has given me a sense of relief. It is so easy to feel so alone in life, especially when you hurt. Like so many others have shared, I too find myself in a painful and confusing situation. Being in a failed marriage for many years I found myself turning to a friend who was in the same situation. We both have several children and more than 10 years of marriage behind us. Our friendship grew over the last year and we found each other to be a source of comfort and an outlet for the venting we needed to stay in our own situations. It was nothing more than a firm shoulder to lean on. We aren't close (distance wise) so our relationship is based on our brief texting conversations for the most part with an occasional brief phone call. But over the year I found myself in love with him. We understand each other and can stand strong when the other needs it. I know that we have grow too close. I found myself sharing things with him that I wouldn't share with my husband. I wake up every morning thinking of him and what he is doing all day and hes the last person I think about at the end of the day. How did I end up here? My husband knows everything because he suddenly woke up and realized that after begging all these years for him to work on our relationship I had given up and was moving on without him. It has been very difficult. I lost faith in my marriage and this other person was there for me. Just emotionally. And now where am I? I know if his wife found out she would leave and take all the children and it pains me so much to think that what we have is worth that loss even though he tells me it is. My husband has been more than accepting of everything but he wants it all to end. He wants me to stop everything and rebuild with him I can understand that. But the truth is our marriage went to heck a long time go. He flat out refused to work on anything and told me he didn't care anymore. I was living for our kids until I found something that made me feel like a real person who deserved better. My husband says he gets it now and wants to change but my heart finds it so difficult to accept that after all these years. I have cut down what I tell this other man and how often we talk but my heart misses him. I know this sounds crazy but I want to let this man go. I want him to be a great father and husband to his family and I want to be a great wife and mother for mine but my heart gets in the way. I feel like if I could just get over the pain of my marriage and know that I dont need him that I could move forward. My confidence in myself is gone. I haven't found the strength to let the one solid thing I have go. I am trying to regain faith in myself and my ability to let go but I am finding it so difficult. We are not bad people. I make no excuses for my behavior and I know I let myself get here without courage to walk away from my marriage when I should have. But it doesn't hurt any less. I love two men for two different reason. But I love one of them because I am not strong enough to know I can be okay alone. We have no plan to walk away into a fantasy life with together, but his presence has been enough to hold me up as a person. My brain says its different than an affair and yet I know it's not right either. I hope I can be strong enough to make the right decision and not hurt so many other people.
I posted a comment, not sure where it went so i apologize if it shows up.... lol I truely know how you feel. it is like you have no control over what you do. it is like an addiction... It is good you do not live close by or im sure it would of went to the next level by now. This is "Affair with boss" above, my husband finally felt/realized things were not right after a year..... it was when my boss decided we needed to take a break, we have since rekindled, I was such a wreck when we stopped, i was depressed, and so lonely, my husband is so wrapped up in his career and his material things that he just assumes i will always be there. He is oblivious to me. My boss actually cares, and truely remembers/asks how i am. I still cannot believe i am at this point in my life. i have been married 28 years, i guess when the kids moved out, it really hit me how bad our marriage had become. its not awful, just very very lonely.
My advice, since i am in this spot, is to let this other man go, since it has not gone any further yet. once you take that step there is no turning back..... Your mind will never be the same.
Its me again "Affair with boss"
I feel like i am in love with two men, also like you. I feel like i am just staying with my husband because it is the easy/safe way. My boss has made it clear right now he cannot leave until his kids are older, about 3 years..... i understand, but it is difficult.. i feel sometimes like i should divorce my husband, and just try to go it alone for awhile. my kids lives are crazy right now or i think i would leave, cant do that to them right now.... with a wedding coming up, not the right time to leave.... i think about it all the time though... im not even sure if there is a future with the boss. i hope there is, but am thinking it may be a dream.... it helps to talk/type out my feelings..... hope you are doing well.
"emotional affair" again. Thank you for your response.
It has got to the be hardest thing I have done in my life besides being told my baby has a neurological disorder. Yesterday I mustered up the courage to tell him it was over. That I needed to let him go. It has now been just 24 hrs since I last heard from him and I am dying inside. It hurts so bad. I spent the weekend talking to him and asking lots of questions I just felt I needed the answers to...things we hadn't really talked about. He said he would do whatever was best for me because he loved me enough to know he'd never want me to hurt or want me to regret him in my life. Talk about confusing. I guess we never realize in the middle of it that we are in fact hurting each other and so many others as well. I just knew it was what I had to do. I do hope that some day I can repair my marriage but thats a separate issue all together. We have a lot to work on. We both have to begin to heal and become strong before delving in to our marriage. I miss my "support" so much. He was what held me up day to day. The last 24 hrs have been excruciating and I want so badly to msg him to say anything...just something but I know I shouldn't. I have to find things like this to keep my mind strong and know I have other places I can get my feeling out and that I am not alone. It is a struggle that is far from over. It is really one hour at a time.
I think with each other here we become stronger and can support each other. I am learning how important it really is.
Affair with boss - very proud of you, wish i had the strength to walk away, a little more difficult when i spend 8 hours a day with my boss...... your husband knows about the other man? you do have alot of work ahead of you. i know how you feel, very alone..... very difficult, like a piece of you has been ripped away.... we took a break for a couple of months, it was the most difficult thing ive been thru. we have a very special emotional bond, we truely care for eachother. cant imagine not having him in my life...... i think for you him not being so close or seeing him daily will be better, they say if you want to stop, to stop all communication. i am thinking of you, knowing the pain you are in.
It was that special emotional bond that I learned was truly the problem. We too both care very much about each other. I was more comfortable opening up to him about things I felt and thought than I was with my own husband. THAT is where the line is crossed. I know now how wrong that is, though it doesn't make me hurt any less. I hope to God I am strong enough to stay away. It is so hard. We never went more than a few hours without talking. But, I can do this...I have to believe that. There are some book out there that are great supports if you are interested and very non judgmental in nature. We can keep each other together.
I actually think that an emotional bond is more of an affair/deception than sex. i think sex could be forgiven but a emotional bond/feeling is hard to fight or deal with. You can do this, i am proud of you!!!! you ARE doing the right thing!
I love to read, need to read/talk about this, cant really talk to anyone face to face or risk the fall out.......
Tomorrow will be one week... It is so hard. I am waiting for it to get easier but hours seem like days and days seem like weeks. I have to do this. I only hope that each time I find it harder than usual and want so badly to revert that I can write here instead of giving into the temptation. I never asked to be in this place and never saw it happening until it was too late. I would not wish this on anyone. Throw in the mix that my husband knows everything and it becomes harder than life sometimes. Strength is harder to come by then weakness.
Am very proud of you!! A week is a LONG time..... I wish i had your strength.. but working/seeing him everyday makes it very hard to break off..... its like i am living a double life, one at work and one at home, but it is getting hard to live like this.... Kudos to you for having the strength to do this, i hope all goes well with your husband, im not sure what is going to happen with my husband, he knows nothing yet, if he did, we would be divorced.... not sure that is not where this will end up anyway. hard to go back to normal after this.....
Has he tried to contact you or is he keeping your wishes and not trying to contact you?
i know of all my friends, no one would guess i am having an affair, cant believe this is where i am at now...... very sad. but the bond is so strong, it is hard to believe......
Thank you so much for your supportive words. It has definitely been very hard. To be honest I didn't believe I would be able to do it this long. We became part of each other. At the core its the friendship and emotional love I felt that I miss so much. I do know he wants only the best for me as I do for him it was just a matter of making myself strong enough to believe as a person it made me weak. I assumed a a few months ago that my marriage was doomed to be the way it was forever and I never meant to hurt him, we just fell out of love. We have 4 children, 2 with disabilities and that takes a HUGE toll among other disagreements. I still love him and I don't know if we will work out yet I know one way or the other I will forever be stronger. It is so hard to think you can do it and working together must make it harder, I can only imagine. I hope one day you will see how weak it makes you having to depend and need another so much. I wish I knew before I managed to get there. I have lost a love and a truly GREAT friend in this. Each day I just pray to make it through without going backwards. Once I am stronger I can decide on where my future lies.
Hope you are continuing to do well. The loss is so hard to think of..... can't imagine not having both of them in my life..... i am starting to see how warped my life has become, and trying to focus on myself and figure out what i want. i think that is the first step. I truely hope you are doing well. hoping everyday it gets easier for you.
I am glad to have found this site. I nearly read all of the comments! I am feeling somewhat better knowing that I am not the only one feeling so lost, confused, convoluted, guilty, and just lifeless! I feel as if I am in a haze all of the time, I feel sad, and even though I have two men, I feel very alone.
I am 28 and have two children, a 7 year old and a 1 year old. My husband and I have been married almost 3 years, together for almost 7.
Anyway, my husband works a LOT of hours, typically 70-80 per week! I am also working FT weekly. So, I have been feeling alone and like a single mom without benefits. I have felt resentful, etc.
Anyway, I met a man, 42 one night while I was drunk. I approached him, basically I was drunk and out of money and wanted a drink, and he was very attractive..We ended up sitting together, chatting and drinking for many hours, getting a bite to eat and then it was around 5am, so I ended up going back to his place and he tried having sex but I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Well, I ended up contacting him about 5 days after and stayed over at his place that night. We had a great time, lots of conversation about our lives, got to know each other, and got intimate.
Ever since then we have been contacting each other and hooking up when we can. At first it was very random and infrequent that we would talk or meet then it has gotten to be talking/texting daily, met me for lunch break, seems very into me and exciting!
So my problem now is that I feel so like a drug addict when it comes to this man, he is my addiction and I am always feigning for him. I feel like he is so perfect and fun and so into me that it is hard to stop!
I was hiding this affair really well and making sure to cover all my tracks, not get caught. But here lately I haven't been so worried or cautious and have basically been reckless and so caught up in him that I almost (not really) don't care if my hb found out. Although I know that's not the truth. But it is just the high that I get from the other man that gets me crazy and willing to see him at any cost almost!? I feel like a lunatic, obsessed and it scares me.
I have let the other guy know my feelings and have been honest about this all with him, he is single, but is feeling the same way and guilty, confused as well because he knows it is immoral and that it is pretty much a no-win situation, etc :(
I think I should cutoff contact as these posts have said but as with everyone else, it is so hard. I feel like I don't even know myself anymore!? Ahh.
Can't talk to anyone really about all this so..venting it out!
We decided today to "cool off for awhile" lol..wonder how long or rather not that will last..
My hb adores and loves me and is the BEST father..:(
I just posted above but also wanted to mention that I have hinted to this man about a "relationship" to come or forming between us and while he hasn't said no way or yes, it's as if he would be with me if I were single..but he doesn't want to say that or to aid me in making a decision in getting divorced or the like..confusing in itself.. I would say well duh, he has nothing to lose in this as I do, but I truly feel like he is not your "typical guy" that he is honest and has morals, and that this situation truly tugs at him, it is known. I know that I am lacking a partner being around, as my hb is almost never home. I feel so stressed as I have to handle so much alone with the children and working Ft, cleaning, all that. I know that I care deeply for my hb but I don't know if it's true love anymore because why would I stoop to this! This just sucks.
I tried ending the affair sort of today but he stated he didn't know what to say or feel and just that he knows we need to "cool off for a while" lol!
I feel for you in so many ways you have no idea. I have read all these things about affairs, both physical and emotional and yet I know there are exceptions to these generalizations so many of them make. Yet it never justifies the fact that you have someone who is still by your side while you are using two men to fulfill your needs as a person. Is that ever right? Thats where I start to see my argument fall apart when I justify it to myself. Not to mentions all the grief it would cause my children. I struggle with decisions and commitment everyday but as time goes by it gets just a little bit easier. I think about him everyday, some days more than others. I miss him so much as he was a huge part of my life. I find myself thinking there are ways to keep him in my life and yet I know its a fine line I am not ready to walk. I don't think anymore than anyone in the situation can see clearly. It takes some distance to see what is happening and what decisions you have to make for you and your life, but I know how hard it is to pull away and think about what is really happening and how it can affect everyone, your children mostly. I know how hard it is to give it up and stop putting yourself ahead of the line when you feel like you need and deserve it so much. I wish you strength and clarity. Happy Mothers Day... remember the important things in life.
I had an affair with a long time family friend and I will tell you that I read what you said and just shook my head. You make it sound WAY more simple and easier than it is. Is it worth it. No. Is it a time killer- heck yah. I have grown and see more potential for my life now that my marriage is over, but I have lost so many things and know another road would have been wiser. But again, not as simple as stated. Not mourning and beeing proud of myself.... Sorry. When emotions are that high, reality is..mourning, Much grief and not knowing how to move foward with people all around telling you to "just stop" like thay have a clue.
What was more helpful was the people who stood beside me let me feel the trueness of my emotions, lift me up and let me fall until I could find my own stregth. But mourning was a huge part of recovery.
Hello All...I just came across this blog a few days ago and it has already helped me a great deal...just to know that I am not the only one struggling with this and that my feelings aren't isolated. I used to think they were, and that I was different. Before I began, I just want to pay my respects to all of you beautiful women out there that have posted your comments, expressed your feelings or just vented....it's helped.
I really used to feel loved by this man...I'm married, he's married, both spouses found out...we ended it for a while, only to return, like a dog returns to his own vomit. When I fell for him, it was because he was sensual, he listened, and he was gentle with me. This turned me on more than I would ever know...but then as time went on, those lovely feelings turned sour.
I knew in my heart that he didn't love me. Our conversations were based on sexual content 90% of the time. He didn't build me up anymore, he didn't encourage me, and I didn't feel beautiful...I felt used. Yet and still I continued to allow this in my life....until now.
I am tired...and this is not what I want anymore. Please pray for me.
...just so you all know, I have found this blog to be extremely theraputic. It allows me to vent, get my thoughts out there without feeling like I will be judged or discovered. Thank you so much Jennifer. God Bless You.
...yesterday, i ended it. it felt so good to have so much power. i wasn't rude to him, i didn't whine, and i wasn't dramatic. It was mutual because we both knew it was what we had to do. I was so proud of myself for making this step. This time, it was different from the rest. I even closed the e-mail account that we used to communicate.
ALthough I felt so good and so strong, and i know that he will have more respect for me, today I was sad and I cried. But it wasn't a regretful cry...To me it felt like rejuvination mixed with seperation....I pray that this is not some cycle and that i get weak mons from now and want to break down. Hopefully my mind stays renewed with thoughts of the future with my husband. Thanks Mistress Diaries. =)
Oh where to begin... Ok. Two years ago, in Feb 09 my husband & I started dancing together as a way to "spice it up". Very long story short, I met someone and he swept me off my feet... things got intimate conversationally then quickly turned physical. I confessed to my husband after about 4 months and tried breaking contact, though we still kept seeing each other sporadically before totally breaking it off in August 09. Immediately after telling my husband we started counseling (at the time I had our 18 month old son.) We spent an entire year putting things back together (it was agonizing...I can't imagine anything more emotionally taxing or more difficult.) I began to fall back in love with my husband after about a year, slowly but surely. Well...here it comes. Back this Feb 2011, we started contact again. (I KNOW.) [headslap] This man and I had such a connection - emotional, physical, etc. I truly thought I had found my soulmate, wrong as it was. Well, through other people's advice thereafter, I had convinced myself that he really didn't love me, not truly, at least, and was probably just using me for my body, etc.
(I forgot to mention this guy was and still is single.)
Well, through reopening contact, I made it clear that I was falling back in love with my husband, and didn't want to continue down "that path" again, and he agreed. But we kept talking (dumb!!!) I admitted my feelings of anger and bitterness toward him, in part blaming him for ruining a lot of my marriage, using me, etc. He was really grieved to hear that I had been so deeply hurt by him, he apologized (which healed something in me,) but just kept me getting more reconnected, etc.
Sorry, I had to break up my comment, here is Part II: (lol)
Well we kept talking & pretty much ended up having another full-blown emotional affair, only this time it felt about 100x's more meaningful & true, though we both knew/know that it's wrong.
"Last time" we never talked about the "what if's", he never really talked about wanting to marry me, etc. We told each other we loved each other, but not that often. This time all that changed. Though he said he never wanted to be "that guy" who broke up a marriage, that he would marry me if he could. Anyway - you get the point - as emotionally involved as two people could get, we were.
Finally, despite my resolve, it got physical as well, (ahem, well, "more" physical.)
We said goodbye 10 days ago. It was mutual, though neither of us wanted to end it. We had a good conversation, speaking out loud all the terrible things that would happen again, but worse this time, if it came to light. (I now have my second son who is 14 months old.) He said he loved me enough to let me go, to rebuild my marriage, to stay away from me. I love him enough to let him get on with his life and find someone to love (though right now, typing those words hurts.)
The past 10 days might have well been 10 months. I seriously cannot BELIEVE it has only been 10 days. I'm in shock. I thought it was a few weeks until I sat down and counted the days. I try not to think about him, but it's impossible...we basically built a small, short-lived life together and I feel like I've lost the love of my life. I want to stay strong...I know I HAVE to. For the sake of my family. For my sake. For his sake. For God's sake.
The past few days have been tempting. We were reading a series of books together and I just finished the series...I wanted SOOO badly to contact him about it.
My period was late, I thought I was pregnant for a few days (yeah, I know.) I was oddly saddened to find I wasn't, though super relieved at the same time. But I know I was just hoping against hope to keep him in my life somehow...twisted, I know.
I'm such a mess. :-/
Anyway, thanks for reading, whoever you are. Last time, I had a few good friends to talk to about this, and process things with. This time (I STILL can't believe I've done it again, but at the same time I can because I've never had that level of connection with another person,) anyway there's no one to talk to, so this blog will have to do, and I'm grateful for it.
I'm still wrestling with whether to tell my husband, but I know I can't because it would absolutely CRUSH him and I honestly couldn't deal with his breakdowns. I'm scared I would leave him if I had to watch him go through it again (I'm sorry if that sounds cold-hearted, I just think it's the truth.)
Anyway - thanks for reading, and if you're a praying person, I would appreciate prayers for continued strength to walk the right path and to fall more in love with my husband. I do want to have a good life with him and my boys. Thanks, and good luck to the rest of you.
Thank you for this blog post and to all of you wonderful people who have commented and showed me that I am not alone here.
I have been married to a wonderful, generous, loving man for just under a year - 5 years together, no children. We won't be having children either, for various medical reasons.
Last summer I was working in HR and a coworker that I didn't really know needed someone to talk to - his wife was dying from cancer. Over time, my husband and I became friends with he and his family outside of work, and eventually, sadly, helped him deal with the death of his wife (last November). He has a 4 year old daughter that I've gotten extremely attached to (and vice-versa). We work together and spend a LOT of time together with mutual friends and mixed company.
About a month ago, things started to get physical. I love my husband - and yet I can't seem to stay away from this person. My friend tells me that he wants to be with me - always - and the logical part of my brain knows that he is only trying to fill the void created by the passing of his wife. I've told my friend that I will not leave my husband for him and we both know that eventually this will have to end. I keep pushing him to get a girlfriend and actually helped him pick out what to wear on a date not too long ago (I was {silently} crazy with jealousy when he went on said date).
My husband and I are going on a romantic vacation together tomorrow and it is my hope that when I get back, I will have the strength to keep my correspondence with my friend professional and friendly, and to avoid spending time with him alone. I don't want to hurt anyone. I know how unfair this all is - to my husband who loves me, to my friend who is rebounding and in pain, and most importantly (IMO) to his little girl who has already experienced so much loss in her life.
I am a kind, educated and loving person. The person I am being right now is not the person that I am or want to be. I feel like such crap. If anyone is reading this, I would really appreciate it if you could send me strength-vibes to do the right thing.
Hi, Anon June 24...I'm the Anon who posted a few days before you. I just wanted you to know that I read your comment and am praying for you to do what you know is right.
I have not spoken with my love for two weeks tomorrow. It is SO HARD. But I know I'm doing the right thing for my marriage and family, and for him too. I will be seeing him (in a public place, with my husband present,) this week. We will obviously not be speaking, but I know that just seeing him will be difficult, probably for both of us.
sigh.
The situations we get ourselves into, no?
Is there any way for you to distance yourself from this person at work? Sadly, extreme circumstances call for extreme measures and running from temptation can go a long way. Your (our) husband(s) deserve your (our) FULL devotion. Let's be strong together.
Rooting for you.
ps - also wanted to say thanks to Hurting in NY for posting a year after his breakup - that was immensely encouraging and helpful in my battle. June 24, I will keep checking this page to see how you're doing.
I also was wondering how June 15/16 is doing, if you're still reading these.
I have been married for 17 years and have 3 beautiful children. but for the past two and a half years there has been a great deal of stress in our marriage, job, financial related. it has not been good for us. also, my mother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer and that has been emotionally consuming. my husband and I have without doubt drifted apart... no real emotional connection.. in April, he forgot my birthday, I was very hurt. my friends took me out for my birthday and I met a man that night.. to make a long story short, we started a relationship via text. he was giving me everything that was lacking in my marriage and I was loving it. we saw each other a couple of times and it got increasingly physical until we finally slept together about a week ago. I don't know how I let it escalate to this level... we still talk by email almost daily although I have left the state for the summer. I don't know what to do... I know it is so wrong but the thought of ending it with him and going back to focusing my attention on all of the unhappiness in my life is unbearable. I am so fed up with my husband who is out of work that I don't even have it in me to be supportive anymore but leaving him is not an option. I could never do that to my children. I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown at times.. my hair is falling out.. I can't see a therapist bc we have no insurance and no income. This man says he is in love with me and he has a girlfriend of 9 months. we seem to fill in the gaps for each other where our other relationsips fall short. we never speak of or consider leaving our respective spouses but this has made clear to me in a way that I never saw before just how damaged my marriage is. is it possible to need two men to meet your needs?
Liz,
I'm the anon who has been posting lately...just wanted to let you know I've been thinking of you this week. I've asked myself that same question before - maybe I'm just such a needy woman that I can have two men meet my "needs". But really, it's a facade. No one will ever truly, really meet your needs for you. I have come to realize that happiness is an attitude adjustment. Everything you wrote about your husband I easily could have written about my own. We are WELL below the poverty level due to the kind of man my husband is (a VERY hard worker, but has to do everything on his own.) And several other things that if I focused on (which sadly I do oftentimes,) I can get consumed with how unhappy I am. The other day getting out of the shower I realized in a flash that I needed a serious attitude adjustment. I need to find whatever GOOD there is in my husband that I still DO admire, and focus on it and grow it. I need to be kind to him when I don't feel like it. I need to just serve and serve and serve (with a happy heart, not a begrudging one that makes me feel like a martyr,) even when he doesn't necessarily "deserve" it. I need to recognize the places where he serves me. I need to be affectionate for him, and let the feelings come back. They can and will come back.
I hope you don't feel preached at. I'm right there in the trenches with you. I actually emailed my lover two days ago asking if he'd like to come over (he's never been to my house an hour away from his,) and he wisely did not respond. I sent another email apologizing and thanking him. It hurt. But I'm SO GLAD he didn't reply. I know he did it for both of us. I pray you have the strength to stay true to your wedding vows and forsake all others.
Love and peace.
Hi June 26 Anon - thanks for your comment. This is June 24. I feel like I'm operating a CB handle, heh heh!
Oh man, it's only gotten worse. I tried telling a close friend some very skeletal basics with the purpose of having someone to hold me accountable for my whereabouts and actions, but it's not been working out too well because now I find myself lying to her, too. Meanwhile, the man with whom I am having an affair is constantly on my mind, and my husband is upping the sweetness by 100%. I can't sleep and my stomach is completely destroyed.
The good news is that the sex with my affair-friend is lacking in some very important ways. The bad news is that it is still better by far than sex with my husband. This is all so fickle and gross - to describe it this way - but that's where we are at.
I feel sick inside. I am sick inside. This is not the person that I want to be. I am so weak.
thank you for your comments , anonymous, I don't feel like you are preaching.. your advice was beautiful actually... problem is, I can't get my head there.. everytime I look at my husband it brings disappointment and resentment.. I have not told him this because I don't want to hurt him but he knows things are not good.. i dont want him distracted by me right now, he needs to focus on his job search.. I feel that I am looking to my lover to fill most of my needs and I really just want my husband to be a father.. I don't know how to get out of this place because I mostly don't want to right now.. but I know I can't do this forever.. I'm afraid of what's to come.. I feel like I'm barely keeping my head above water..
Liz, and CB Anon ;-)
I feel for you. It has been almost 4 weeks (seriously?!?) since I have spoken with my love. I still miss him a lot - at times terribly, so much so that it gets difficult to even breathe. BUT I'm making it, by the grace of God.
I finally had a conversation with my husband a couple days ago, not telling him about the affair (I still think it will be years before that happens, if ever.) But basically it came down to telling him that I don't feel in love with him anymore.
Since that conversation, things have actually improved quite a bit. Still hard, but improving.
I know what it's like to "not be there yet," to "not be ready." I wish I could help you all in some way. I still am so weak at times.
I think it helped tremendously to email him and be rejected.
Whop, gotta go, I'll check in later!
Much love and peace.
To anyone still reading/writing here. Wow. Ow. I'm 30... In a committed relationship.
The self delusion! We get taken by our own chemistry! Out of our minds.
God knows I nearly went there. A girl I trained at work. Love her so dearly. Brushed legs by accident third day in. Really hard week, really cute girl. Instant crush.
I trained her honestly, sincerely, compassionately, in a really hard job. She's great. So proud of her. Apart from the job I stayed the heck away from her. But on tough days we would chat. I was torn. I felt responsible for her. Wanted her to be happy and successful. God I would have taken a bullet for that kid. I changed departments. Later, someone tried to get her fired by fabricating evidence against her. I took some time to help her through it. Just as a friend, on the walk to the station.
After that I started having nightmares about her getting murdered and I could do nothing. I didn't realise I was falling in love with her.. I just thought I had failed her as aa friend... It hurt like hell. I started doubting myself... Working extra hours trying to get enough credibility with my superiors to get her moved from where she was. Saw less and less of my girlfriend, became obsessed with trying to work harder and save my friend from this.
Things got better for her, but I was stuck in a loop in my head. I had to help her, felt so responsible. Still hadn't figured out I was in love with her and she was actually gonna be ok.
Anyhow I could have hugged her a dozen times on tough days. But I didn't. Felt like I failed her every time. Wrote to her on Facebook - pretty harmless encouraging stuff.
I always felt chemistry between us. I never tried to figure out if it was mutual because I knew it was wrong.
I didn't realise I was having an emotional affair - probably all on my own... But all the same. After things got better for her and I stopped feeling so intensely concerned I figured it was all over and tried to be friends. I wrote to her. Then, when she was so excited the first day, and so distant the second day, and we never really got a chance to talk... I went home and cried for hours.
Finally I knew. Through all that painful hell I fell in love with her. I didn't want to. Didn't mean to. Wished I could have been a better friend. Hated myself for being so weak.
I wrote to her one last time... Confused out of my mind... Still thinking she was more hurt and vulnerable than she actually was by this stage. Offered to be there for her as a friend, that I didn't want sex or a relationship I just wanted to hold her and let her know she was dearly loved. I guess she was smart enough to see I what I was blind to. She hasn't spoken to me since.
I'm grateful to her for having the insight to see we couldn't be friends. It hurts like hell still. I really hope she's going to be ok. I can't be there for her, but there are other good folks in this world. I hope she finds them. I miss her, but we work together still. It's not her I miss really is it see:
I miss caring that much about someone. I miss feeling needed. That's the real trap of the emotional affair.
In a healthy stable relationship you don't feel desperately needed. When work is tough or things are boring, we get sad and lonely and we want to be amazing in someone's eyes.
I would still give my life to save her from anything. She's an honourable soul. I'm so glad she was wise when I was weak. Reading what you've all written here made me realise how close to actually living in hell I was!!!
Thanks!
I've been reading and now I'm finally going to post. I had an affair with my (married) boss for the last 1 1/2 years. We've known each other in the past (before I was married) and now. I don't know why I've always had him on a pedestal.
My husband of ten years found out about the affair by going through my phone. My husband has always hated my boss because I think he knew the way I felt.
I didn't think I was hurting my husband until he found out which is really disgusting for me to say now. The affair was strictly sexual and we never kissed or tried to connect emotionally. My husband has tried to please me in so many ways and I've tried for years to adjust to his "problems". I guess there is no excuse.
I love my husband and feel sick inside for doing this to him. I basically shared the past year and a half with two men -- it sounds so bad now. How could I be so low. Both of us for that matter being married. Nobody needs sex that bad.
I never intended to cheat on my marriage. Ever. Him being my boss also complicates things and my husband has forgiven me. He thinks the affair was short lived. In reality it went on far too long. I can never tell him the truth and hurt him ever again. It wouldn't help to do that.
We have finally ended it and I am starting to have feelings that I didn't know would come. I feel sad and try to put him out of my mind because I know he shouldn't be there. I want to try to be the woman I used to be. Not a liar and a cheat and a whore.
I have not told my friends about the affair and have nobody to talk to. Its consumed my life and now that it's done I feel empty. Trying to remember how things used to be. When my husband used to believe me when I say that I love him.
I think time will fix this and I deserve all the suffering that I'm going to get -- ten fold. I'm sad that I can't talk to anyone and glad to read these comments and realize that I'm not alone.
Just got home from work and from seeing my boss. Now I realize that I will be reminded every day. I am trying to erase this from my mind. How did I ever get here?? I have not used alcohol for several years and feel tempted to go back to that. It's all about weakness and temptation. This mess was just the latest addiction that I have and now there is nothing for me to turn to.
I just don't know how to feel like this and wish so much that I wasn't. I used to have so much pride in my marriage and everyone around us considers us to be the couple that will always be together.
I deserve these feelings that I'm having and honestly know it will get better. I should be glad that only my spouse found out and that lives weren't ruined. Besides mine.
I am 30 and have been having an affair with a married man for the last 2 1/2 years. When the affair started, I was still with my own long-term partner, although things were getting rocky between us. At the time, my affair partner and I worked together (and had worked together for the previous 4 years), which progressed to sharing personal stories and flirting, and finally culminated in the affair. I was so completely overwhelmed by guilt and realized how much I still loved my own partner and vowed it would never happen again. But it did. We still saw each other every day at work and I still continued to see this man outside of work, very infrequently at first, because of how he made me feel. He satisfied so many things I was missing in my own relationship - to him I was beautiful and smart and funny and strong and generous and to top it off, he is the most amazing listener I have ever met. I ended things with my own long-term boyfriend a year after the affair started. My relationship with a rough patch a year earlier had started to crumble from my neglect, and I felt so guilty for having cheated that I decided the best thing I could do was break things off so he could find someone who deserved him. In hindsight, I wish I had ended the affair instead.
Since I've been single, this man and I see each other regularly, once to twice a week, and we talk and text daily, though we no longer work together. I truly love my affair partner and we have an amazing emotional connection in addition to everything else. We have fun, can laugh and talk endlessly, enjoy many of the same activities, and time seems to fly by when we are together. But at the end of the day, when all is said and done, I know it isn't right or healthy. My affair partner is still married, with a 6 year old son, and in my heart I know he isn't leaving his family...at least not any time in the foreseeable future. And thinking about it, I realize I don't want to be responsible for breaking a marriage apart. I know I should just be strong and tell him no more, but I can't bring myself to actually do it. I have tried twice in the past, but both times we end up back where we started. I know he loves me, I know he loves his wife and son. I know he wants to spend time with me, I also know family commitments come first. I'm smart and educated and generally a strong person. Why am I having such a hard time accepting what I know I need to do???
Hello. Today I ended an affair that has consumed my life for the past year. We both are married with children (7 kids btwn us) and we are truly and deeply in love with each other. But the pain of dishonesty was killing me, and this in turn was killing him. Although we want to marry each other and spend the rest of our lives together, we know what the RIGHT thing to do is. And that was to end things for our kids sake and because when we married we made a vow (which we broke, but we are willing to try again to restore our marriages). I am deeply hurting. Wondering how I can ever live a normal life again , and wondering if there will ever be a day when I can smile and laugh again ? Wondering how I can ever fall in love with my husband, who is a wonderful man by the way? I really want to do the right thing and honor God and honor my husband and honor marriage in general. I want this for my ex-lover too. I feel so alone. Please can someone encourage me and pray for me and tell me the pain might lessen someday ?? Hurting in Ohio.
I can't write much because my husband is actually sitting in the room with me :-0 But I'm the same person who keeps popping in from time to time, (the one who did it TWICE - I might dub myself the "Two-timer Two-timer, heh.)
I broke up with my lover almost 2 months ago...We also had SUCH a strong connection, one I've never experienced with another person...definitely identify with one of you saying you can laugh/talk for hours and hours and not stop. The emotional/spiritual/physical connection was OUT of this world.
I still miss him.
BUT - BUT!!! It DOES get better. It DOES get easier. I won't lie, the first month was extremely difficult between my husband and I. Several times I stormed out of the house (totally uncharacteristic of me,) but if we would argue, I would get so frustrated with him, then in turn be aching SO MUCH for my lover that I would just have to leave and scream to God.
BUT - it has gotten easier. Not just easier, but SWEETER between my husband and I. Feelings for him are actually surfacing again. I have hope for the first time in a long time.
Do I miss him? Yes. Do I still love him? Undoubtedly. But I try to focus my energy and love on my family, not that unhealthy fantasy. Because along with him came deception. And that deception was eating away at my soul, let alone my relationship with God.
Hurting in Ohio - I am praying for you. You are doing the right thing.
A good friend told me this during my first bout with my lover: God is on your side! God is on the side of YOUR MARRIAGE. If you guys want it to succeed, it will. Keep praying. Keep getting up when you feel like you're dying inside.
If you serve the God of the Bible, He is a loving, forgiving, gracious and longsuffering God. He is able to supply you with what you need to obey. That's beautiful because I don't know about you, but I don't have it in myself. I need Him to strengthen me daily to keep me from returning to my sin.
Please know you're not alone. I wish there were a way we could help each other in person, but hopefully this will encourage you somewhat.
Lovingly,
Healing in KY
I'm two day after ending a largely emotional but not entirely physical affair. I'm relieved as I know I was displacing some of my needs onto him.
I'm married to a man who has Aspergers. I did not know this when we married and had thought his 'shyness' was cute and quirky. Now I realize that the feelings of alienation are my plight. Counseling will not be of help. There is no therapy to help him meet my needs.
For example, I have been married for over 12 years and in all these years, I've rarely ever had any card or present for my birthday, mMther's Day or Christmas ---- in spite of the tears and hurt I've communicated. I know this makes me very vulnerable to someone else giving me attention and I'm at a loss as to what to do.
I needed to end my 'developing affair' because I didn't want to be dishonest, guilty or sneaky anymore, in addition to passing on the guilt to my potential lover.
I need to work on what and how to go forward and welcome and and all advice and prayers out there.
Thank you for sharing your lives and experiences, as it helps me to understand my own feelings and the drive to want to reconnect to someone outside my marriage.
Signed,
Lonely and feeling Unloved.
Dear Lonely & Feeling Unloved,
I'm sorry you're going through this. It must be difficult. Though I cannot relate entirely to your situation, I just wanted to let you know that I'm saying a prayer for you. You're doing the right thing.
Sincerely,
Healing in KY
Hi. I just broke off my affair today. It was only for a short time but i feel as if we were together for a long time. We are both married with kids and we all happen to be friends. How i let it get this far i dont know. We both have been having problems in our marriage. He confided in me that he had feelings for me for a long time...our spouses and us have been friends for a very long time. After he told me that, I dont know if it was curiosity or excitement that someone felt that way for me, that instead of pushing him away i started talking to him more than we normally did and my husband and i were fighting soo much...that every emotion he was expressing towards me was negative. Now i feel that i love this man and he loves me too. We know each other so well since we have known each other so long that the feelings we felt as friends developed into something more. We only had sex twice...we just connected emotionally and we understood each other. How do I get through this? He keeps insisting on not letting me go...he is willing to divorce his wife but i cant do that to my husband. My love for my husband has changed since all this but I feel i do love him and we have been married for many years that i feel i need to give my relationship another chance and the most important reason to why i finally got the courage to end it is because of my kids. The guilt and betrayal has been killing me that i just cant do this anymore but i am hurting in a way i have never felt before. How do i forget him when we are all friends? Please someone help...
I'm sorry you're going through this....
The first question I would ask is, is there ANY WAY possible for you guys not to see each other as much??? (Try to be honest when you answer that question for yourself - I know firsthand how easy it is to make excuses.)
Hopefully no/less/little contact would make it easier.
Thinking of the implications for my children was also what set me over the edge and gave me the courage to finally end it. Thinking of their faces when I would have to explain divorce, etc - still makes me sick.
You can do it.
Praying for you tonight.
Healing in KY
I have cried reading the comments on here, Ive felt so alone and after reading this I feel a glimmer of hope that Im not alone in the way Ive been feeling.
I have been happily married for 12 years with a young child. I starting messaging an old school friend (who has also been married for 12 years) a year ago on facebook which quickly lead to dirty texts and sessions on the webcam. In the last 3 months our friendship turned physical, and we both confessed we’ve fallen for each other in a big way. After weve had sex we lay in each others arms and I can easily imagine spending the rest of my life doing it. We make great friends, we laugh, we chat, we discuss all our worries, concerns and plans. We speak on the phone for an hour everyday (mon-fri) and at weekends we either try and meet up or are in contact via text. Neither of us really want to leave our partners and see anyone get hurt but deep down we both know that it must end soon or someone will find out and it will end badly. We have agreed to only be friends but then when weve met weve ended up kissing and the passion flairs up.
In my heart I know that we must end it, but I cant let him go. The thought of not seeing him is so painful I feel sick. I don’t want to lose him as a friend but at the same time I don’t know if Im capable of being ‘just friends’. What should we do? Should we agree to severe contact from now on? Can we stay friends? This week he has gone on holiday and for 4 months I have not spent a single day without hearing from him, its day 2 and already im in a state where I cant stop crying coz Im missing him so much. I cant seem to snap out of this stupid lovesick feeling, I am normally such a strong independent woman, but I feel love sick and in pain. Someone help me….
When reading these posts, cannot stop crying. I am also currently going thought this. Feel soooo hopeless and painful.
He is my co-worker. We are in the same team for 3 years. First two years we didn't even talk with each other, until early this year he helped me with some company activities and gratually we started to talk more and know each other more.. Since then, we chat on msn every day and call each other very often. But we never contact each other in the weekends. I didn't know I fell into love with him until he told me his feelings for me and I felt the same... Being panic, not knowing what to do because we are both married, and fear so much for losing him. I just feel him sooo deep in my heart. I was NEVER so open to anybody else, and I used to keep sooo much inside. But with him, I can talk with him about anything, and I trust him soo much. We sooo naively thought we could be just friends. Now it has been almost half year, and we both know we have to end it before it goes too far. We both have our family, I still love my husband and he also has two lovely kids. Rationally we know we must end this, but emotionally we just want so much to be with each other.
It has been 3 days since we decided no contact last week.. it feels like 3 years.. Now I know how deeply he is in my heart. Every minute i am thinking about him and many many times I wanted to call him, but I didn't.. It felts like hell, but I have to take all this alone. No friend to talk about...I feel that I miss him more and more every minute... Not sure how long I can keep on not contacting him...
Good that I don't see him any more at office because we are now at different location. And I googled many posts and they say (also I BELIEVE) the pain and sadness will go away in time. Just don't know how long it will take. I keep telling myself: just be strong and patient....
Wow, what an amazing site. So realistic. I can so identify with so much of what has been written here. Thank you to you and everyone who has posted. I'm a professional woman with three children. I've been in an unfulfilling marriage almost since the beginning. I married a nice guy who I thought would be a good father and husband but I don't think I every truly loved him. A few years ago I found a website for married people seeking other relationships. I met someone and had a year long chaortic relationship I thought we'd just meet for coffee the first time we met and did not expect to have an affair. It ended because he was confused and not only cheating on his wife but looking beyond me as well. Cheaters are cheaters. I happen to be a very monogamous dedicated person who just reached the point of severe loneliness. I could not stand the idea of being back alone despite being married. I
tried to replace the affair and it took 18 months to meet another suitable person. I can see it is so easy to go from person to person which is not my intention. I met another professional person who told me his wife was an addict with a petty theft criminal record. He said he did not love her. He romanced me, brought me flows, picnic lunches, told me he loved me and even introduced me to coworkers, friends and family. over another year our friendship and intellectual bone grew really tight.He lost his head and admitted our affair to his spouse and family and. He got thrown out. He continued to call and see me and was distraught over the loss of his relationship with his one child who he adored. Every other day and sometimes every other hour he would change his mind. Hid wife started contacting me texting me, calling me and eventually my husband who I had told. Finally he told me he was confused. He missed his family,home and child(not necessarily his wife)
He flip flopped daily and eventually had a divorce mediation agreement drawn up. The way it is now is that he is not communicating with me, he is still not living home, he can't decide to get divorced or not. He doesnt want to take responsibility for this relationship so his wife thinks Im the whore slut and hateful one and he is a victim. I told him the other day that Im resentful and I feel he treated me like garbage. I had been sooo good to him. I took care of him I helped him with so many things I even cleaned for him. I told him I felt transitional and used. I know I need to move forward but I'm still lonely in my 21 year marriage. If my kids were healthy ( I'm dealing with disabilities) it would be easier. There are other complicated factors, as well. I just pray every day G-d gives me the strength to keep going. The kids being in need of me is a helpful thing but I'm sooo lonely and I miss my friend so much. Even if it wasn't completely reality I'm in love with a ghost. I know that to continue I can not be married and have affairs I either need to find a way to be happy with my home the way it is with some work or get a divorce and be free to meet another free person.I'm insecure about meeting someone at my age in 40's with three kids. I do not know that I will ever meet someone who can give me the "good things"that my prior friend was able to(non material things) Weird thing to is that moving on feels like I'm cheating on my ex lover. So many feels but mostly confusion and sadness. Sad that I have lost a friend that I will probably never be able to have again.
Wow,
I had no clue how common affairs are for women in their 40's. I had an affar with a man for almost 3 years. Most of this stories appear to be mine, they all seem to have the same heartache, guilt, and end up with the woman gettin hurt. Bottom line, men an women have affairs (obviously) for totally different reasons, and it seems like is always the woman getting hur. The man I had an affair with, basically broke it off by totally ignoring me for about a month, not answering my numerous calls or text messages until I gave up. After about a year, he contacted me out of the blues and I was dumb enough to talk to him and fall into it all over. I am going trough the pain, shame and regret all over and feel like a total fool. However, finding this site has helped me alot, please keep it going.
Sincerely,
Second time fool
I have been married for 29 years. 19 years ago, I had an affair with a married co-worker. The physical relationship lasted about 4 months. Throughout the years, though we have talked to each other from time to time on the phone. Flash forward 18 years and out of nowhere this relationship rekindles in a way that I could never have imagined. I love this man with all my heart and soul and for a period of about 3 months in the spring of 2010, I was happier than I have ever been in my life. We had the most amazing conversations, most amazing physical relationship, and even a spiritual relationship (we prayed together often as we are both Christians.) Of course we got caught and the fallout was seriously nasty. We did stop seeing each other but we continued to talk to each other on the phone at work until this month (Oct 2011.) We have tried SO hard SO many times to put a stop to the conversations, but neither of us was strong enough. A couple of weeks ago, the IT dept at my work discovered that someone was hacking my work email...I found out it was my husband. I was DEVASTATED. He was checking up on me to see if I was contacting the other man.
I had told the other man several times that the only way our relationship would end was if one of us was removed from the situation. When this incident happened with my email, I resigned from my job. I honestly felt that it was the door that God had opened for me to be free of the guilt and depression and anguish I have experienced over the past year and a half. It has been awful for a bunch of reasons: I no longer talk to the man I am in love with, I don't know how I am supposed to feel or act with my husband, and to top it all off - I quit a great job that payed well. I have to just believe that God will bless and reward me for being obedient and doing the only thing I could do to remove myself from this relationship. I need prayers - prayers for strength, emotional healing, loss of the love of my life, and prayers that God will bless me with a new job and a renewed spirit and direction in my relationship with my husband. I have to keep the faith! PLEASE pray for me!!! Thanks!
thegreatwizardpriest is a fantastic spellcaster. he helped me with my lover like no one else did. Even when I was feeling really down he found the words to help me keep going and when the spell finally worked, I felt happy like I never was. Thanks thegreatwizardpriest@ymail.com so much for this lady who has all my respect!
I have been reading this blog and feel somehow grateful to know there are so many of you out there in the same place as myself. I guess misery loves company... Most posts I notice are from women but I feel the need to post myself.
I have been having an affair with a divorced woman for almost 19 months. She was in a new relationship with a guy at about the same time we met. She recently (2 months ago) ended it with him. I have been married for 28 years to a wonderful beautiful wife. But this woman does something else for me - maybe its the chemicals I keep reading about... but I feel so good being around her.
Yesterday we agreed that we need to slow things down as a first step in ending the affair, though she thinks we can continue on a less intense level. How can we do this? I don't think it is possible to have a "light" affair, or is it?
She knows this is going nowhere. But we both love each other and have flexibility which allows us to meet way to often. We are addicted.
Tomorrow we will connect again, but I am thinking of telling her that it is over. It will be devastating to both of us but I know it must be. We have tried this a few times but obviously it hasn't worked.
She says we can be friends and see each other maybe once a week and possibly refrain from sex. She also says that she thinks she may need to try some dating sites and have me around for support. Is this a reasonable request? I don't think so.
How do I get out of this without hurting her too much? Can I be a friend and talk to her? Do I stick around while she goes online looking for a date? I love her too much so how can I possibly do that? Alright enough. Thanks for the blog and all of you for your postings it has helped me re-think my life.
Ive been with a MM for 5 mths, hes someone ive known for 12yrs.
In June I went through an ordeal that culminated in him and I speaking to/ seeing each other alot. It grew and before I knew it we were in constant contact and saw each other every few days. At this point nothing physical had happened but it was clear that if we continued it was going to, so at that point I told him I was ending things. I knew his wife, wouldnt say we were friends but we knew each other well enough for me to feel uncomfortable having an affair with her husband. He made me feel like I was over reacting and I guess having been through a difficult time before I was very weak and so it continued.
Before we had even slept together he told his wife he was leaving her for me. This was a stressful time for all of us as she confronted me on numerous occassions, told her children what was happening and they were exposed to most of what was going on. Mine were protected from it but she used her children terribly against their dad.
After 3 months he left his wife and moved in with his parents but was with me mostly. After a couple of wks he began to struggle with the situation, his wife was getting his kids to call him all the time and plead with him to come home.
Not surprisingly he folded and went home. He told me he couldnt face putting his kids through that pain but he also couldnt stand the thought of being back in the house with her. I understood the pull of the kids for him but I did say to him to make a decision that was also right for him as he had a life to lead too.
We've continued our relationship although weve kept it low key. Theyve not had a real conversation about their future since he's been back although I knew she didnt really know he and I were still so full on.
The result of this situation is that I am deeply in love with a man who I get all of the emotional anquish and upset you could dream of in a relationship with none of the emotional benefits. We see each other everyday,talk, text all day long but at the end of the day he goes home to his family. When I have a shit day, he cant be here for me. We make love and he has to leave........ great!! It has been the most draining experience on my energy, my happiness and my general well being and yet I continue to allow it to carry on.
Today I told him that if he could see a bearable future for him, his wife then he shud try and make that work but that if he was staying put we would have to end. I just came off the phone to him having said that if we ended we cannot see or speak to each other ever again as I would not be able to cope with this and also think I would just get sucked into the cycle with him again. He's just freaked out at the prospect of this..... he was so horrified and panicked that Id said it that he is now making a decision on whether to leave again which surprised me as I thought he would definately stay put.............. we will have to see though.
This whole situation has taken over my life and is so absorbing its not true. I cant concentrate properly on anything, i dont commit to anything just incase I get the opportunity suddenly to see him............. I mean how sad is that!!!!!
The truth of the matter is, however much I love him and want him to be with me and my kids........... if he chooses not to then I dont think I will feel any worse than I already feel now. I already feel like my heart is broken.
It is like being stuck in a whirlpool that just keeps going round and its so hard to get out of even after just 5 months.
to Anonymous above......... Nothing ends unless it ends badly, otherwise it never ends. If you and your lady agree to finish I think you need to try and stop all contact............. hilarious coming from someone still stuck in the whirlpool!!!!!
I left my hb more than 10yrs ago, and moved to another state with my 2 young boys. Not divorced because he didnt want to and I wasn't strong enough to insist and i want to protect mu kids. 2yrs later I meet the love of my life. He was my best friend my lover my soul my strength to live. We got on so well. He loved me so much and so devoted to me that no matter where he is we talked and say good night and good morning to eah other. He was divorced but his kids lives 2.5hrs away. He never gave up on his kids and plotted to get them back. Both my kids will be at university in 3 urs and i was going to divorce then. He said 3yrs is too long. So 8 yrs of being together and his son is close to come back to live with he told me things have changed, he needs someone to look after his son after school, and is is not in love with me anymore. He didn't want to get married again and he didn't want to move in with me. Anyway, I have been so heart broken I could just die. I take valium to help with chest pain and anxiety. We have been trying to say goodbye for 6 month but finally a date is set to say final goodbye and the day after I was to travel oversea, I know I will not be able to cope with the thought I will not see him again after 8yrs of love. He said people fall out of love, but I know it's no coincidence that his son is coming to live with him and he wants some else who can help to look after him. I am absolutely devasted I can't function I can't get out of bed I can't stop myself randomly cry. I love him so much after all these yrs. I have no one to support me and I can not tell my family about him because I am not officially divorced, which was my biggest mistake trying to protect my kids. How do I let go 8yrs of love and memories? No matter what I try or convince my brain to think it doesn't work. Pls help. I want to make appointment with phone psychologist but I feel they will ridicule me because it's consider an affair even I have been separated for a decade but didn't divorce. Ls help, I am having a mental breakdown.
I am in desperate need of advice. I, like many others here am involved in something i never thought myself capable of. I have a wonderful marriage to a man i love and respect and four amazing kids. My affair is with someone who has been in and out of my life since childhood. We were best friends as kids, secret lovers in high school and college...always going behind the backs of the others we were with. It was genuine love, but not the kind meant for marriage to eachother.
He married the one for him and i married the one for me and we lost contact for 8 years. Now, The rel ationship has been rekindled. We talk, we fight we make up, we text, email ..call....and after a year of back and forth we went to the next level.
I am consumed with guilt and regret, so i am wanting to talk it out...suddenly he is distant and cold. The more i need to talk the less he suddenly tolerates me. Apparently the fun was had and now that it is it (but truth be told it wasn't that fun...i was so panicked to do anything but go thru the motions.) I know that our history is so huge, the thought of losing him and his friendship terrorizes me, but he isn't being a very good friend right now...ignoring my need to process what we did...i feel used and betrayed and worse, i know i deserve it as pennance for what i have done to the wonderful man i married who trusts and loves me and gives me everything. I feel duped and used and cast aside and horrible. Did he ever love me like he said? Or was i always something there on the side just for the taking?
This is my update from October 31st when I tried to end the affair.
On December 2nd we both decided to end it.
It has been very painful to say the least and I am unsure how things will feel but right now I am sad mostly.
Yesterday was the last text I sent to her where after stating that it was a wonderful experience - I said we both know that this time it is really over. And we should not communicate at all in the future. This was almost impossible to write down but I knew I had to do it to make it real.
She acknowledged this by saying it was hard to read but she understands.
So I have a deep loss in my heart and I miss her, but I know it was going nowhere for her and for me. It felt like true love but it wasn't real - it was just fun, passionate and illicit. She made me feel great. Of course, why should we end it?
But we both knew it had to end and it was going to hurt.
I have a long road ahead of me but this decision is now final. I am working on repairing my marriage and dedicating my love to my wife.
I wish all of you out there the best of luck. It took me several attempts to do it but now it is done. You all can make this important life change. I hope to post again after some time has passed with more up-beat and positive feelings to share with you.
I found this quote that made me think about my situation ( i posted on Nov 26) hope it helps some of you too...
"There comes a time when you must realize there are certain people who belong in your heart but not in your life."
I am trying to forget him but at tge same time agonizing over why he seems not to notice.
I was engaged when I started dating this man who was also engaged and preparing his wedding. We met for a second time to a party and was talking and having fun and was attracted to each other we started talking on the phone, texting and emailing everyday since it has now been 7 months. I broke up with my Fiance who is very heart broken but he did not break up and ended up getting married3 months after we started. I broke up with him days bofore his wedding but somehow got back with him (that was my chance to get out of this mess) then broke up again 2 months later and still got back together, i dont seem to find the strengh to break all communication or even stop to see him. When iam with him i feel like the only woman in the world, he loves me so much and everytme i break up i feel so guilty to bring him so much pain and to bring to me the same pain.
Now he always asks me not to brake up with him he is very attached to me that we can not go a day or few hours without talking to each other.
I know it is not the kind of relation i want , i too want to get married and have a familly but i am not sure he can ever offer me that.
and i need to break it but i am affraid of the pain we will all have.
I do think about my Fiance a lot and he is a good man who loves me so much..... i just feel lost and i have lost my Fiance who was ready to give me anything and to make me happy.
I just dont know how to get out of this relation, any suggestions will be appreciated.
Hello all, I need help. I'm having an affair. I'm in the middle of a divorce and live in another state from my husband. I have met someone that truly makes me happy. All of our children are grown, and both of us have been unhappy in our 20+ marriages. We have so much in common and make each other laugh without trying. I have never felt this way, and he really is a good man. We did not intend for our friendship to lead to this, but the attraction was overwhelming. He has struggled with this more so than me, because he is 10 years older, and really had accepted that status quo was all he was going to get. I'm so torn. He is seeing a divorce attorny tomorrow, and I have given him every opportunity to go back to his wife. I'm not proud of my behavior at all. I know its wrong, but I'm so torn. I know the statistics regarding affairs and how they end, and the pain, and once the newness wears off. But, if I remove myself and he divorces on his own, is it possible that maybe this was meant to be. Are there ever any exceptions to the statistics. I know he is the one for me, and I believe we would be happy. When your kids are grown, why does society say that people can't find a new life...Does it always end badly? I don't want him to get a divorce if we have no chance at all, I love him enough to let him go, rather see him not be happy long term. I need help... I know he is not happy with his wife, and I know a year from now if he stays he will not be happy, but with me the cards are stacked against us..Help me,
I'm so glad to have found this blog and am grateful to all of you who have shared your stories. I have been happily married to a fantastic man for 25 years. This year I had an affair with a man 14 years younger than me. It started in April when we were working together.... it took me totally by surprise. My husband found out about it this summer in August. It was so devastating and the reality of losing my marriage with this wonderful man really put the affair in perspective. That being said, it hasn't been an easy journey. In spite of my overwhelming love for my husband and my desire to stay married to him, I have had a difficult time ending the relationship with my lover. We have tried to end the relationship several times and keep falling back together. Last night we had THE CONVERSATION. He agrees. We are stopping. This New Year - 2012 - will be a time for healing and renewal in my marriage. I want to learn from my mistake and make my relationship with my husband better than ever. I am writing here for a kind of accountability. I want to start fresh in my marriage and turn this mistake into something positive. I'd love to know if anyone actually reads this - and will keep you posted - if anyone cares to hear how it goes.
~ Zoe
I feel so sad. I cry alone in my car everday going to work. I am trying to convince myself that in time the pain will become less, but my heart is so broken...
Hey,
It's Zoe here (see post above from December 30 )and I want to let you know IT DOES GET BETTER! I am living proof.
I was really hooked - physically and emotionally. When I realized it HAD to end - once and for all I was so sad - miserable - crying ALL the time. Since my last post, I have confided in a trusted spiritual director for a kind of accountability and that has helped immensely. It felt so good to tell someone and get some solid perspective.
I have kept to my word and have had absolutely no contact with my affair partner in 10 days and haven't seen him for 12 days (believe it or not, that's a long time for us - we talked & messaged every day & saw each other whenever we could) It hasn't been easy or fun - but am so relieved to be able to say I am feeling better... and I am not going back.
The more time that passes with NO CONTACT the more perspective I gain on the whole thing. The crazy, mad, CRAVING feeling is gradually subsiding and I am finding that the energy I had been spending obsessing & grinding my wheels in that dead-end relationship is being channelled into healthy relationships with people I really love and into other areas of my life. This shift in focus is bringing me an inner peace I've been missing and a rising sense of REAL happiness - even JOY!
I have come to realize that there's a big difference between happiness & pleasure. The affair provided a kind of pleasure, but I wasn't happy. I have been fraught with a lot of guilt, sadness, pain, & anxiety. The affair didn't make me happy or joyful. It hasn't been very long, but the little distance I already have has helped me to remember the difference between fleeting pleasure and lasting happiness.
Having self-respect and dong the right thing feels good. Obsessing about him and lying & cheating to be with him feels awful. I am so glad I have finally committed to INTEGRITY in 2012 and am not going back. I'm not saying I'm completely healed but am just so glad to be feeling better. I never thought I would.
For anyone trying to end an affair... DO IT. It's painful, but you will feel better every day. It takes a firm commitment & discipline.
For anyone considering an affair - DON"T DO IT. It's definitely NOT WORTH IT.
I hope this helps someone out there. I know reading this blog really helped me and I hope reading this might help someone else,
Sending love & good vibes -zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I've been involved in an emotional affair with a married man and i'm married too. We met 20 yrs ago when we were 16 and had a wonderful relationship for 10 months after which i moved overseas. Soon after i left he dated someone else and we broke it off. Two years later we met again and decided to date. It was hopeless cause i still lived in another country and it all fell apart. We did not speak for a few years. Then out of the blue (now in my mid 20's) he called and asked if he could visit me. We clicked instantly even though we were both dating other people but distance was not on our side. Another yr later he came and this time (i just found out a few wks ago) he was going to propose during that visit. But never proposed cause i had too much baggage and he felt he would have been the rebound guy.
Eventally we both got married. He always made an effort to keep in touch and meet but i never knew how he felt. We've both been married 10 yrs and still live continents apart.
Just a few months ago my husband was telling me how he feels this guy (let's just say V) still loves me and i also have an attraction towrds him. V called 8 wks ago i told him about the conversation. Our conversation snowballed so fast and I found myself caught in an EA. He says i can draw the limits but he will never leave his family for me. He's always loved me and hopes we can have our special bit in the middle. I can determine what that should be but i've done a lousy job at it. I'm obsessed with him. He always picks up the phone but as of lately doesn't have the hours to talk daily like in the past. I'm thankful we have so much distance between us casue i would not have any control over my actions. I feel weak and cry so much at the thought of why he doesn't want to dedicate so much time to me anymore. Worse yet the guilt of betraying my husabnd doesn't prevent me from reaching out to him and having initimate talks.
He understands my heart and we fantasize about meeting 1/2 way around the world. I try to find every opportunity to call him daily - even taking risks to talk when i know i might get caught. Lately, he's been pulling back which has led to hours of crying. When i asked him about this, he said he was drawing the limits for me becasue i seem 'unstable' and unable to control the situation.
He says he wants to stay in touch just in case the time is every right for. I just don't know how to find this balance. He will accept whatever terms i put forward, i just can't seem to stick to any limits. I've tried to pull back 3 times already (to gain some balance but not to end the relationship) but either he pulls me back or i come back myself. I'm currently on round 4.
I know compared to most people on this site, my affair hardly seems significant but the tears i have shed and the pain i feel is the same. Most therapists say that if try harder on your marriage that you will find in your spouse what your lover provides. But sometimes first love is hard to get over. He says we are soulmates and i have recently read about "imprinting" that for some people always tugs you back to your first love.
I got through 20 yrs supressing my feelings for him. Now they've surfaced and i don't know how to gain my balance back in life. Please help me be the person that deserves my husband's respect once again. Is it not possible for us to be friends once again and for me to have mental peace? I desperately want him in my life and am trying hard to stick with round 4 of cutting him off to gain composure...at least for another 3 wks till his b-day. It's only been 4 days since we last spoke and i'm crumbling under the pressure. When do i know i have found the right balance? Please help.
Zoe says...
(I have to leave this post in 2 parts as it's too long)
Wow. I really feel for you. Your affair DOES seem significant as you describe it. The emotions you talk about sound EXACTLY what I went through with my affair. (Read Zoe's 2 posts above for more info)
II too was completely obsessed with my lover and took risks in my behavior that were most definitely not coming from an emotionally stable place -risks that eventually led to the exposure of the affair and unfathomable pain. It was absolute torture.
It seems clear in your case that your guy has no intention of leaving his wife nor do you seem like you want to leave your husband. Sounds like your guy is interested in having you around (on your terms?) You are definitely hooked in an emotional affair. My recommendation is that you do yourself a favor and STOP NOW. Be as honest with your husband as you possibly can and let him help you out of this trap before you get further in.
YOU WRITE: "I feel weak and cry so much at the thought of why he doesn't want to dedicate so much time to me anymore. Worse yet the guilt of betraying my husabnd doesn't prevent me from reaching out to him and having initimate talks."
This sounds exactly like what I went through. I guarantee - It will only get worse.
I have to keep reminding myself how much pain I was in much of the time we were together. How sad I'd feel when he wouldn't call when I wanted him to or how awful I'd feel when he was off living some other part of his life that I could never openly be a part of.
Gradually the sadness, pain & anxiety of the affair far outweighed the fleeting moments of excitement and pleasure we shared. This is when I knew we had to end it. The relationship wasn't real and it wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't heading in a healthy direction. One thing I know from the experience - An affair relationship is NOT SUSTAINABLE and NOT WORTH THE PAIN.
Zoe Part TWO...
I just had two weeks without seeing him and that feels monumental. What complicates the matter for us is that we are colleagues and will occasionally run into each other and even have to work together. Last night was our first challenge as we had to see each other at a reception.
Seeing him was bitter sweet. In a way I think it strengthened me. It was good to see that I was able to see him and not give in to my feelings of attraction and start looking for an opportunity to be alone with him. I have been advised by trusted counsel NEVER TO BE ALONE WITH HIM and I agree with this. I know I can't trust myself not to give in to my feelings of attraction if the opportunity were to arise and I DON"T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE HELL I WAS IN. So we were very sweet to each other, had some nice, real conversation and we were very mutually respectful of the commitment we both had made to STOP.
In other ways I think seeing him set me back a bit emotionally too. All my feelings of love & attraction came flooding up. I had wished I'd see him and not feel much or anything or that he wouldn't look as good to me anymore but that was NOT the case.
So that leaves me with a question. I, like you, wish we could have a friendship. We had great conversations and have so much in common and genuinely like each other. It bums me out that because we crossed boundaries we may never get to just have a good clean friendship.
You write: "Is it not possible for us to be friends once again and for me to have mental peace? I desperately want him in my life..."
I have the same question.
Is it possible to have a friendship with someone you've had an affair with? I'd like to imagine that if I agreed to never be alone with him, we'd be able to build our relationship anew - out of the shadows and in the light of day, if you will. I long to see what that relationship would look like. What would it be like to get to be pals without the lies, and the guilt that goes along with the deception of an affair.
I know I am committed to keeping that relationship "clean" in 2012. I don't intend to go back. Too painful. Not worth it. NOT SUSTAINABLE. We both know it.
But, is it possible to rebuild the relationship into something that is wholesome that even my husband could live with?
I noticed that Jennifer has recently come back to her blog and I'm hoping she might read these recent posts and offer some advice here.
Meanwhile. I'm feeling your pain.You are not alone.
But take my advice An affair of any kind is NOT the solution.
Sending love & good vibes Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~
I've been reading this blog constantly for the past several weeks and find all the postings and Jennifer' word's of wisdom to be so helpful during this challenging time in my life. I'm 28 years old and been with my husband for 12 years with 2 children. Although we don't have the best relationship and don't agree on many levels, I never thought I would actually stray. I've fantasized about other men over the years but never thought I could cheap on my husband..........that is until a few months ago. I feel lost with myself and confused as my affair is so fresh and new to me that I don't know how I really feel. I don't love him (the other guy) by any means but enjoy the male interaction and the connection we have. I havn't reached the point of falling in love with him and can't see that happening either but I find myself thinking about him 24/7. He is married as well and very open about his personal life with me and doesn't try to hide anything from me as we talk openly about our marriages with each other and eveything under the sun. He often tells me that if I want to stop having sex he would still want us to be friends forever and to never stop talking. It kills me to betray my husband who loves me a lot despite our differences but I'm wandering if it's possible to keep this affair going without me getting hurt in the end. I don't love this other man by any means and would never think of leaving my husband for him so does that mean I can continue with this and be friends with maybe some "benefits" from time to time? or am I just selling myself short and the pain and suffering will be inevitable. I know this sounds completely selfish but I would like anyones honest advise. My affair is still so fresh at its beginning stages but when I read about the posting from the affairs that have gone on for years it scares me to think that mine would ever end up that way and me feeling hurt like all those other woman who have stepped outside their marriage.
Dear Zoe,
I'm the one in love with my first love living continents apart. Thank you so much for your response! It felt so good to get acknowledged. I'm proud to say i'm 8 days 'sober.' The pain is subsiding and although he sent me a one line email on day 5, i didn't respond. I know he is worried and wants to know i'm ok keeping in mind to give me my space. It's his thoughfulness that really hooks me. He truely does get me.
I know you are right...having the affair is no loner an option. But at this point i have decided to not tell my hsband about it. I'm afraid it will lead to an over correction - cutting him out of my life completely, which i am not ready for. We have a 20 yr history. Plus other sites don't recommend you do this anyway in every scenario. Becasue of our distance, the affair never progressed as far and maybe it's wishful thinking, but i think we can go back to being friends.
What has helped in these past few days is that whenever i have an urge to communicte with him, i write an email without sending it. I tell myself to wait an hour and then see if i can wait another and another without sending it. I come back to the email, add to it and edit several times a day and it really provides a huge release of my toxic emotions. I have been writitng one every day and saving them as drafts. An encouraging trend is that initially the letters were about details and events, and now they have evolved to words of encouragment for myself and why i should stick to this path. I know i can do this, and i still plan to call him on his b-day in a few weeks. This is the hope that keeps me going everyday - the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak.
As far as being friends goes, it is a long ways away but it's another hope i hang onto for now to get be past the present moment.
I wish you and all the other people on this site, peace and enduring happiness but mostly the strength to do what you know is right.
Hey,
Thanks for writing!
You sound great. You are definitely doing the right thing. (I love your therapeutic e-mail writing idea.) It's all such a challenge but I find it does get a little easier every day. Hang in there.
I was a little thrown at how seeing my former lover brought back so much of the heartache. It's so much easier for me with ZERO contact. Unfortunately I have to see him again next week for work and it's a strange combination of feelings I'm having. Part of me looks forward to seeing him and another part is afraid of all the feelings coming back again and having to go through withdrawal all over again.
It's hard to lose the friendship part of the relationship. I wish I could get some advice on that part, too. I wonder.... Can we still be friends after we get past the withdrawal of the affair and we're've had time to distance ourselves from all the passionate chemistry. So curious to know if that's even something I should be considering or am I deluding myself and creating a potential trap and danger of falling back into it with him. I feel like my rational brain knows enough not to do that now...and I've suffered enough pain not to want to make the mistake of having an affair again. But he was a real pal, and I miss him. In other news...I keep wishing I'd see him and wonder what I ever saw in him.
Meanwhile, I'm getting myself back and that feels good. I'm focusing more on my relationship with my husband and we are healing together. He forgives me and loves me exactly the way I am and there's something really sexy about that. I think I am falling back in love with him!
Wishing you all the best - Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Dear "28 year old w/2 kids"
That stage of the affair sounds very familiar. I remember thinking the same thoughts you are.
You Write:
"I don't love this other man by any means and would never think of leaving my husband for him so does that mean I can continue with this and be friends with maybe some "benefits" from time to time? or am I just selling myself short and the pain and suffering will be inevitable."
From my experience, it ends painfully. From what I read that IS the inevitability. When I stop to think about it, I know it's true. An affair relationship is NOT sustainable. Keep reading Jennifer's posts on the subject matter for inspiration and believe her when she says it's NEVER ok to have an affair. If you don't end it , it will eventually be exposed and people will get hurt. Take matters into your own hands and do the right thing before you get too much further in and you're emotionally hooked too. That's the worst. If you think about him 24-7 you are getting hooked. It's so hard to get out.
I say end it - The sooner the better.
Wishing you love & the strength to do the right thing. ~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Dear Zoe,
IT's me again...the one in love with my first love. I agree with you that zero contact is the best way to heal, but at the same time i'm envious that you have an involuntary chance to see him again next week at work! Yes it's bitter sweet but you have no choice. Sometimes i wish i could have this opportunity where i have no control of the situation but have to face him...takes the pressure off having to be strong all the time in restraining myself from contacting him. I know you will not have a relapse. You did well last time you saw him for work and this time will be even better!
I'm happy your husband seems sexy again to you. Sounds like a great guy in how he's supporting you. Hold on to him and make this work.
As far being friends goes, i know that if Jennifer ever wrote, she would say NO it's not possible. And i get that...for most people it's probably best this way - no exceptions - easy to follow rule. Maybe everything is so fresh right now for us and we find it hard to believe we have to cut him out of our life. The point is we have to get to a stage where it doesn't matter to us if he remains in our life - then we know we can be friends again. Any other feeling short of that means (at least for me), i can fall into the trap again. It's a long way away but i know i will get there...one hour at a time for now. Best of luck for next week!
I started having an affair over 2 years ago and promised I would leave my wife. Even though I knew it was wrong, I did leave my wonderful wife of 28 years, 1 year ago to be with someone I "thought" was my soul mate and new found love. I separated and I thought that I would be happy. After the year had gone by the woman with whom I was having the affair with started pushing and pushing for me to get a divorce. Me being stupid in love with this woman I filed for divorce. I regret it. Every single second of it. I am completely miserable and have never felt so alone. My wife has now been served and has 30 days to answer. I do not want a divorce and she really doesn't either. We have talked and she is just not sure she can get over the infidelity. We have grown kids and of course they hate me for this. They are pushing her to go through with the divorce. I just pray that we can work through this. Believe me, the grass really sucks on the other side!
jd
Hey "in love with my first love"
Thanks for what you wrote. I really appreciate your words of encouragement.
My anxiety lies in the fear that these mandatory work encounters are on some level keeping me hooked in to him. It was sooo difficult not to go back to thinking of him constantly after seeing him last week. I can't stand living in that state. I WILL be strong and getting stronger every day. just like you said. I can do it.
I think you are right about being friends and the danger of falling back into a trap. It's still way too fresh.
And Dear " jd" - Thanks for sharing your experience. When I was in the midst of my affair I was convinced we were soul mates too and I KNOW that if I had left my husband for him it would have been a terribly unhealthy relationship. It blows my mind that even though on some level I KNEW this, how much I still wanted to be with him and hang on to an illusion - a fantasy of our relationship.
Hearing your story is so helpful. Great for me to be forced to look at the harsh reality. It really helps in the letting go process. I'm so sorry for your pain and really hope you and your wife get another chance for a happy life together. It is possible.
Thanks for all the support. It's helping so much.
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Having been married for more than 20 years, I never thought for one moment that I could ever be unfaithful to my husband.
I have found this site and all your messages so helpful over the last few months as I realised, too late, that my married friend and I had become too close. I read my own story over and over - the same intense emotions experienced. Eventually the emotional affair became physical.
We mutually agreed to finally end our relationship one month ago, desparately wanting to do the right thing. The grief has been almost unbearable. I miss him so much. But, in the last week, I haven't cried every day and have started to function more normally.
Zoe, your experience is so encouraging, thank you for sharing this. You've made the right decision and I wish you every happiness.
I agree with so many of you when you say that having an affair is not worth it. If it's not too late for anyone reading this - don't go there!
Zoe Says....
Gem...
Thank you so much for writing and for your words of encouragement. It feels so much easier knowing i'm not alone and that there are other people who understand what I'm going through. These posts really do tell the same story over & over don't they? It was so helpful for me to read them and see the unhealthy pattern unfolding in every case. There's really no one among my friends and family I can talk to about any of this. It's been so difficult to go about my life as if nothing is going on when it feels like I'm being ripped apart on the inside. I'm so grateful to have been able to get some perspective here.
I'm glad to report that time does seem to be healing the pain and every day does get easier. I'm not crying all the time any more. I'm not heartsick every moment of every day any more. I'm trying to be more disciplined in my thinking by not letting myself dwell on thoughts of him. I've had to really train myself NOT to obsess about him.
I've got to see him Tuesday of next week for work and I'm really hoping it won't feel like ripping open a wound again.
The more energy, focus and love I direct in my husband's direction the more intimacy developes between us and it's feeling warmer and sweeter every day with him.
Here's to doing the right thing.
Love,
~Zoe~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Zoe,
This is 'i'm in love with my first love.' I just wanted you to know that i'm thinking of you and i am sending you tons of strength and warm wishes for tomorrow. You'll be fine and might even be pleasantly surprised at how you handle the after effects of seeing him. I can tell you have come a long way since i started checking this forum. Hugs!
I too never thought for one moment that I could ever be unfaithful to my husband. I have found this site and read so many stories that sounded like mine that it was scary. I realised, as someone wrote, too late, that my married friend and I had become too close. Eventually the emotional affair became physical.
The intense emotions of our relationship are overwhelming.
Several months ago, I hit a low spot in my life personally having buried both my parents and a child in a very short time period, and my affair partner decided to end our relationship. He said he just woke up and a light bulb went off and he didn't want to get caught and couldn't bear the thought of hurting his kids. He did just what Jennifer said to do - completely cut me off just when I needed someone the most.
The grief has been almost unbearable. I miss him so much. I miss the physical but what I miss most is talking - and now i have noone to talk to so I am posting my feelings here hoping it will help me get it out of my system. I have been trying to reconnect with my husband who is a good man and a saint for putting up with me.
Unfortunately our families are close friends, so the no contact thing just isn't going to work unless we move which has crossed my mind.. but my husband and daughter will never go for it right now.
So i guess I deserve all this misery and pain for what I have been doing and will just have to learn to live with it and pray that God will forgive me in the end.
Zoe says....
(gotta post this in 2 parts as it's too long)
Every new story I read just reinforces for me how essential it is to let go and MOVE ON. Thanks for sharing. These messages are such a source of support & strength.
Hey "in love with my first love" Thank you so much for thinking of me. I just hopped on here tonight because I'm feeling a little nervous & shaky about tomorrow and I was so heartened by your message. Just knowing that someone else knows what I'll be going through tomorrow really gives me strength and courage. I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am for that.
I'm feeling vulnerable. I have these weird mixed feelings of dread longing excited anxious anticipation around seeing him tomorrow - in a way I'm looking forward to it - but that doesn't feel like it's going to be healthy for me in the long run. I worry that I'm looking forward to seeing him. I wish I didn't care. I fear that every time I see him it will feel like I'm opening a wound. I dread the feelings of attraction and longing that might surface.
I don't know when I will see him again after tomorrow and part of me is sad about that. Another part of me is relieved and feels that maybe with no clear future about when I'll see him again - enough time can go by for me to really get over him once and for all. I know that's what I want and need to do.
I'm so mad at myself for still having feelings. I'm starting to cry as I type this and I'm mad at myself for that. I wish I could just be OVER it. I feel like it's an act of the will at this point. I just have to STOP the tears and move my energy elsewhere. It doesn't help to dwell on him at all. Maybe that's why I came on here tonight. To remind myself how futile it is to get caught up in thinking about him at all. STOP.
I will see him tomorrow at work. I'm going to have to interact with him. I'm sure I will be reminded of things that I really like and even love about him. I know that I won't make the mistake of being alone with him. That I'm clear about. I'm hoping that I will maintain a healthy perspective on the relationship. I want to remember how miserable I was deep inside when we were still seeing each other and be grateful for the opportunity to heal. I want to remember how sorry I am that I let our relationship become inappropriate. I want to allow our relationship to shift into one that brings out the best in both of us.
continued...
Zoe (part 2)
I think I'm afraid of getting my feelings hurt. I'm suddenly aware that he could really hurt me. I think a part of me wants to know that it's been hard for him too not to be in contact but I may see him tomorrow and discover that he's doing just fine without me. I could really let that get to me. Wow - Just typing this out makes me realize how careful I need to be about how much of my own power I give away in this situation. HE CAN'T MAKE ME FEEL ANYTHING - I ALLOW myself to feel the way I feel. I have the power to choose. Get a grip, girl.
I want to be in a place where I can wish him well and not need any special feeling of connection between us. I need to be able to really let him go. Sometimes I wish I could be mad at him. Part of me hopes I'll see him tomorrow and think he's a big jerk and wonder what I ever saw in him. I want to be so OVER it. But at the same time, I don't really want to be angry at him. I think that'd be just another form of attachment. I'd like to be able to detach completely & move on with compassion.
I've really come a long way, don't get me wrong. I'm amazed that we haven't called or texted or seen each other (intimately) since December 30. I am finally truly committed to ending it, putting my focus back into my marriage and it's definitely paying off. My husband is amazing abut it all. I know that I will NOT go back into an affair.
I guess I'm looking forward to the day when I can see him and ALL my feelings will have caught up with what I KNOW is right and true. Maybe that'll be tomorrow. I'm hoping.....Meanwhile... maybe I just need to fake it 'til I make it.
Love,
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Zoe (part 2)
I think I'm afraid of getting my feelings hurt. I'm suddenly aware that he could really hurt me. I think a part of me wants to know that it's been hard for him too not to be in contact but I may see him tomorrow and discover that he's doing just fine without me. I could really let that get to me. Wow - Just typing this out makes me realize how careful I need to be about how much of my own power I give away in this situation. HE CAN'T MAKE ME FEEL ANYTHING - I ALLOW myself to feel the way I feel. I have the power to choose. Get a grip, girl.
I want to be in a place where I can wish him well and not need any special feeling of connection between us. I need to be able to really let him go. Sometimes I wish I could be mad at him. Part of me hopes I'll see him tomorrow and think he's a big jerk and wonder what I ever saw in him. I want to be so OVER it. But at the same time, I don't really want to be angry at him. I think that'd be just another form of attachment. I'd like to be able to detach completely & move on with compassion.
I've really come a long way, don't get me wrong. I'm amazed that we haven't called or texted or seen each other (intimately) since December 30. I am finally truly committed to ending it, putting my focus back into my marriage and it's definitely paying off. My husband is amazing abut it all. I know that I will NOT go back into an affair.
I guess I'm looking forward to the day when I can see him and ALL my feelings will have caught up with what I KNOW is right and true. Maybe that'll be tomorrow. I'm hoping.....Meanwhile... maybe I just need to fake it 'til I make it.
Love,
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
This is anonymous from yesterday...
Zoe,
Best of luck today. I do feel for you. Not sure how we got ourselves caught up in such messes.
When you said you are so mad at yourself for still having feelings and you wish you could just be over it resounds so closely with me. And the tears, well they just won't stop.
I have read numerous things about it's just a chemical thing not love it's just the euphoric high of a new relationship - well i don't buy it or believe that. I am not saying that affairs are right by any means. But I have been in my relationship for over 2 years and that high isn't even close to going away. I just think that people fall in love right or wrong, mostly wrong when you are with someone when you meet another.
You meet people at different times in your life and things may happen to you that change your perspective and when the right person sees your persective, listens to you, you cling to it because it is what you need at that point in time.
I remember what Hurting in NY said, "To love someone you can never be with is soul destroying". If the relationship is going nowhere and you both know it and you make no moves away from your families, then so be it. I don't think it doesn't mean it wasn't love, it just isn't your love to have.
Does time heal all? Not sure about that either given the loss I have had in my life the past five years, but the sting of the pain becomes less.
I am angry at my affair partner right now, but eventually I do want him to know how sorry I am that our relationship become inappropriate. I would like, as you said, to allow our relationship to shift into one that brings out the best in both of us.
Our children are close friends and see each other every day. I have not been myself and his wife keeps asking me what is wrong and i hate myself for lying to her.It would kill me to hurt her or my husband and I think of all of the heartache it would cause our families - NOT WORTH IT no matter how bad I feel right now.
I don't know if any of this makes sense, but I will not believe that love is some chemical thing - exercise also brings out those endorphins....maybe I should start an exercise class... LOL - getting way too serious here...
I pray that love will heal us all and again that God will find forgiveness that we chose the right path at the end of the day.
Dear Anonymous from today and yesterday,
I am so sorry to read that you are having to cope with the end of your affair at such a tragic time in your life. My heart goes out to you for the suffering you are going through.
You don't deserve to be in misery and pain, but the grief is an inevitable consequence for us. No question, God will forgive you - just ask, but you also need to forgive yourself. I'm sure there were lots of reasons and unmet needs that led to the affair, although I know that doesn't excuse our behaviour, it can contribute. I hope you have someone to turn to for support.
Take care of yourself.
Zoe
I hope today went as well as possible. Like other readers of this blog, I was thinking of you.
You often describe how I'm feeling about my former colleague/ friend and the desire to stay in touch, but on a healthy level. I know I'll have to be around him soon for a few days and have relapsed into the tearful and abnormal functioning mode at the thought of it. I look forward to reading your words of wisdom. You are an inspiration.
Zoe says...
Dear Gem & all my anonymous friends who have been there for me here...I can't begin to tell you how much your support is helping me. Every time I come here and find a message from someone I feel stronger. It's so much easier for me knowing that I'm not alone. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for thinking of me today and for writing.
It was an intense day. We were working together closely from 2:30 - 10:30. My heart is full and achy right now. I hate to have to admit it - but I loved seeing him. I really drank him in. I miss him like crazy and I just loved getting to spend time with him. I know on some level maybe I shouldn't indulge these feelings, but DAMN. Can't we be friends???!! Ok friends who used to make unbelievably passionate love with each other. Oh man. I must be out of my mind.
I feel guilty even writing these feelings, but this is the one place I let myself be honest. I was smart enough not to be alone with him at any point, but we did have time to check in with each other. He admitted that it has been difficult for him since we stopped all contact and he acknowledged that after today we didn't know when we'd see each other again. He asked if we could see each other some time - go for a drink to "debrief" I was a little vague in my response & didn't commit to anything. I'd like to talk to him...but I really don't want to fall back into an old pattern. I came home & told my husband that he asked about meeting to talk. My husband said NO WAY. I know he's right.
I have to admit, I was glad he didn't seem to be OVER me and that he still had feelings for me. I have to admit, I was still so attracted to him and turned on being in his presence. We both admitted it was more difficult after seeing each other last time. I need to accept the fact that we aren't going to be together. We won't be hanging out with each other. At all. Period. I don't know when I'll see him again and that's probably all for the best.
I have got to stay focused on my marriage and I know my marriage will not withstand any more screw-ups where this is concerned. I'm lucky to be where I am in my relationship with my husband and I need to honor and respect him. I am committed to the truth. I know that anything else is going to make my life a living hell all over again.
Oh man...Thanks for reading me & sorry if I seem all over the map. I just needed to vent. I will write again as soon as I've got my feet a little more firmly planted on the ground.
Good night
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Hi,
This is 'i'm in love with my first love...' Zoe, i read your post from yesterday and i wept thru it all. My heart ached to hear his voice again and i thought if you could get thru yesterday then i can get thru one phone call.
I broke down today and called him after 15 days. I thought it would get easier each passing day but i just couldn't take it anymore. I had promised myslef i would hold out till the 2/7, his b-day, but now i'm asahmed to say i didn't even make it that far.
He picked up and we spoke for 10 mins. My voice was trembling and i fought tears back but he seemed so unphased by it. I asked him how his 2 wks went and he was so unattcahed and unemotional about it all. My heart sank and he ended the call abruptly when his daughter walked in. He said he would call back and i literally thought he would call in a few mins but it's been an hour and he hasn't. Perhaps he meant he would call back some other day.
I miss his so much but i don't think he's in the same mental state that i'm in. Sometimes i wonder if i have been having an emotional affair all on my own! He said he had planned to call on my b-day (2 weeks after his) and all i kept wondering was how come he can wait so long? Why does he not miss me as much? Why is he able to pull it together? I know i should be happy for him but i feel crushed. But at the same time hopeful that we can be friends if he keeps this up. You can't just have an affair on your own!
Oh how could i do this...be so weak and give in...only to find out that i'm the only one suffering so intensly. I deserve it. I want the pain to just STOP. I don't know how to make it through today. Feeling hopeless and desperate.
To 'in love with first love"... This is anonymous from above.
First, the pain is horrible and I don't know how to tell you to make it stop. I feel that I too am the only one suffering and he seems so unaffected by the change.
Unfortunately, everyone grieves differently. Some people get over things more quickly than others. Not right or wrong just the way it is I guess.
Don't let today's weakness dictate your overall committment to move forward - you know what's right and clearly your partner is ready to move on with his life no matter how hard to hear. And like you said you can't have an affair on your own....
As I said the other day if it's not going anywhere and neither party is prepared to leave their families, then this love unfortunately is not meant to be and they should move on.
We all have weak days, cry - get it out of your system - try to stay strong.... eat chocolate or ice cream :) trying to make you smile a little. Focus on work something else and don't let it dictate your life.
Hang in there...
(part one) Zoe says...
Hey "anonymous from above" Thanks for such great words of wisdom.
"In love with my first love" I'm really feeling you. I know what it's like to feel more invested emotionally. It always appears to me that it is easier for my lover to cope emotionally than it is for me. It's why I was relieved to hear him say last night that he had been struggling too because my impression is that it has been much more difficult for me than it has been for him to transition out of our affair.
I think it's probably more accurate to say that our timing has been different and we are very different in the way that we process, cope and express ourselves through the whole thing. As anonymous from above said, "we all grieve differently." It doesn't mean your love doesn't have feelings for you, he is just processing in his own way and in his own time.
There have been many times in my affair, especially in the last few months as we were trying desperately to end it, when I was in such pain because i felt i was suffering more than he was - that it was too easy for him to let go and move on. He seemed more comfortable with us not talking or seeing each other as much. This really bothered me at the time, but in some ways it was a gift. It actually HELPED me to witness him being more detached and in a "moving on" mode - because, as you say, I didn't like the feeling that I was alone in the affair - it motivated ME to MOVE ON. Painful but necessary.
I was so afraid that i would feel that again last night. It's so painful to feel that it's one-sided. He still seemed less emotionally expressive & more detached than I felt, but at least he was willing to admit that he had a heavy heart and was struggling. I've started to realize that when he is removed & detaches in that way, it's a coping mechanism. I believe it's a form of self preservation. It's how he deals with his pain. Understanding that helps me not to take it so personally AND gives me the incentive to do the same - detach & move on. Nothing wrong with a little self preservation.
(part 2) Zoe says....
Today I am feeling a strange mix of happy/sad. Happy that he misses me too but sad that I know we can't see each other or be together at all anymore. Ever. In some ways it'd be easier to completely let go if I felt he had already completely let go. But, I know it's inevitable. He's a young, single man and I know he wants a shot at real love. He was living with someone when we began our affair and he broke up the woman he had been living with just as we were in the midst of ending our affair. He insists that he didn't leave her to put any pressure on our relationship. He says our affair just made him realize his relationship with her wasn't healthy & that he wanted something more that she was unable to provide. I know eventually he's going to want to date other women. I've got to be prepared for that. At this point I still feel pangs of jealousy when i think of him with someone else. That's not good. I want that to STOP.
Today I'm feeling like I'm a little closer to accepting the fact that I've got to let him go. For good. I don't feel as tortured as I was after the last time i saw him. I'm relieved that I don't know when we'll run into each other again and I know that if and when I do that it's going to be okay. There's plenty of mutual love & respect between us. I'm grateful it didn't end in an ugly way. It could have, so easily.
At this point I'm trying to focus on the good things. We are managing to shift the affair into healthier territory while maintaining mutual love & respect. I've got a great husband who still loves me and is willing to give our marriage another chance. I want to take my passion and desire to "make love" and bring it to all of my relationships - channelling that life love force in positive, creative, productive healthy ways.
So.... I'm feeling better than I expected. Not too much "hangover" from seeing him and plenty of hope that I can keep moving forward. As attracted as i felt yesterday, i know there's no going back there. I'm really relieved to be out of the hell of the affair and I won't be fooled into going backwards. Here's to moving forward....
With Love,
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Dear Anonymous and Zoe,
Thank you sooo much for your responses. I waited this long to reply becasue i wanted to get a grip on myself and find the courage to report that i almost went back to square one. He did end up calling me a few hours later and i allowed myself to indulge in a 2 hr conversation with him. I felt ashamed to write to you both right away because i felt not only had i let mysef down but also the 2 of you that have been supporting me. I was keeping myself accountable to this forum and to you both.
We talked about everything and he made it clear to me that his life will never stop to grieve and he doesn' feel pain like how i do. He lost his dad at a young age and he said compared to that experience all else in his life is minor and he's just built tough. As happy as i was for him, i regressed a lot in my own moving forward goal. He also said that he didn't need me in his life on a daily basis and being in touch was just fine...he's sorry he brought up the past and told me the truth that he still loved me a couple of months ago...he never meant for it to get so out of hand for me. So i guess in reality i was making up part of the affair in my head. His words cut so badly but at the end of the conversation, he pulled me right back in saying i was his soulmate etc.
I guess i've known this, he's not going to set any limit or take any action to cut me off. I'm going to have to do it for myself. I hate feeling so dispensible. But you are both right, maybe he's supressing his feelings of pain as self preservation.
I feel so desperate to pick up the phone and talk today...i still have so much to ask and tell him. I just can't seem to let it go. I tortured myself for 15days by cutting off communication and now i've gone back to almost the beginning. A good reminder of the pain waiting for me when i think of making such a mistake again. Serves me right!
Zoe says...
Hey "in love with my first love" ...
Thanks for sharing that. It has really helped me. I can so easily recognize the unhealthy pattern as you describe it. It helps me get a perspective on my own situation. I think the same thing is happening with me. He is doing a great job of keeping a distance with me - which we both agreed was necessary - but at the same time keeping me hooked in. I'm letting myself get hooked and it ends up being painful.
I really believe the only way for me to move on is to disengage with him all together. I know how easy it would be for me right now to get sucked right into wanting to talk to him on the phone every day and wanting to find a way to see him...and feeling more emotionally invested than he is but still getting sucked in... over and over. Misery. I see the pattern and I am more resolved than ever to stop it. I need to resist the urge to communicate with him and let go of the idea of seeing him.
Ha- get this. I gotta cut this short because my husband just asked me to go out on a date with him just now! So we're gonna be spontaneous and go grab a beer and a bite together at our local bar. (Grabbing a beer & a bite was something my lover and I loved to do together.) SO - I'm going to go on this date with my sweet husband and appreciate what I have. I'm gonna go have a beer & a bite and bring my passion with me. Love is a choice. it's a VERB. It's can't be just a feeling. Feelings are too fleeting. Here's to taking a conscious step toward really LOVING my husband. I'll let you know how it goes.
Love...
Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Zoe,
Thanks for your response. You are so right about the unhealthy pattern. I've been seeing if for too long but just can't seem to unplug from it. After a lot of misery and crying yesterday, i went back to my box of letters that he had written to me when we were dating 20 yrs ago. I've been reading them over and over for several days and yesterday for the first time i decided to leave his letters aside and read that of our other common friends who decribed in details how he had moved on and was dating other girls...yes i know this so long ago when we were 17, but the anger felt so real and i just got so damn pissed! It lifted a cloud of confusion from my head. I just decided i had enough. Somehow i've been feeling a lot better. Now i don't think this feeling will last forever but i hope it can carry me for a while....by when i should be stronger and better able to STOP falling into the tarp again. I'm ready to move on.
On a happier note, how was your date yesterday with your husband? How wonderful it must be to feel joy again in your life. I look at your postings and feel so encouraged that there can be light at the end of the tunnel for me. It was only a few weeks ago you were where i am. That's remarkable recovery time and i just need to remind myself that a few weeks of no communication can do wonders. Thanks again for your support.
Hey Zoe and in love with first love, anonymous from above...
Good to hear both of you seem in better minded spirits and thinking about the well being of yourselves.
In love with first love - never apologize for being human - we are all going to have setbacks - I have had the same days just never posted them outloud
I just wish you the best and pray you can heal and move forward.
Zoe - I have to agree that separation is the best healing medicine. In my case where our kids see each other everyday I was wondering if you could offer some advice. His wife and I are friends and we all used to hang out together all the time. Now I have just distanced myself and make excuses why I don't go over and hang out, while my husband and daughter go alone or I just go for a short bit and make up an excuse and leave. Everytime we are all together I am very short with him and quiet and my husband asks what's wrong and his wife also asks and I just say I'm tired, it's work whatever. Ironically enough it seems harder to be "normal" around each other when we are all together than when we were fooling around - how horrible is that???
He actually called me yesterday (haven't spoken to him alone in weeks) and he was upset that I was so angry with him and why can't we just be friends and civil when we are all together but I just feel so hurt right now and I ask him why this seems so easy for him to let go and he says it's not and it is killing him inside but i don't believe it - he says he couldn't bear the thought of getting caught and how it would affect the kids. I do know this was going nowhere for him and for me. The right thing to do is to end things for our kids’ sake and because when we married we made a vow to be faithful, which we broke. I don't want to hurt anyone, and it seems that the only one who is hurting is me. How do I put aside this anger and deal with this? If I push the issue of not hanging out with them anymore, my daughter gets hurt and loses a friend, my husband and friend would definitely push the issue - so I feel forced to deal with this and have contact with him. How I could be so selfish and enter into this affair is beyond me...
The way this ended is also hard for me. It is hard when you go from talking every day- sharing all the things we did - to nothing. I don’t understand why he cut me off and felt he couldn’t come and talk to me. I am deeply hurting and wondering if there will ever be a day where we can be friends again. I am not sure I know how. He said he doesn't know how either.
I really appreciate your advice - I have noone to talk to about this and actually posting on this forum has helped me move forward even if it is ever so slightly - please understand I am not feeling sorry for myself - I got myself into this mess and now I have to deal with the consequences. I just don't want anyone else to be hurt.
Hope you had a great date with your husband!
(Part 1 of 2)I have read this blog often and on for awhile now and just haven't posted. As you all have said you find comfort in knowing you are not alone in it all! I have no one to talk to about all of this, which i guess makes it that much harder--right before when you had a break up you had your mom, sister and friends rallying around you telling you you'd be okay and when it is an affair, you are really all alone and have to process so much more than a typical break up all on your own.
So, here is my story (sorry it is so long)
Met him in Vegas, and was a good girl and resisted any sort of physical activity. He is a great guy and the type of person i would be friends with, had i been single the type of guy i would want to date for sure, we had exchanged #'s in vegas to hang out again (while there).. somehow the conversation continued after leaving-- and we talked all the time via text for the first month or so (an insane amount) and really a lot of about normal stuff-but eventually hot and heavy things we'd do to each other... All in fun right? like I will never see this person again, we don't live in the same state even, it was nice to feel wanted/desired.
It just so happened we were going to be in the same city one weekend- we planned a 20 min escape of seeing each other-thrilling, dangerous etc. And we did see each other and started a physical relationship.
we then met each other for an over night visit a month or so later, the following month i took a day off work to go visit him for the day.
This whole time we are texting pretty regularly. early on there was talk about being together (i have 2 very small children) and how much he liked me etc (wanted things to be different). after a couple weeks, before meeting up for the first time, he said it couldn't be anything more ever--he couldn't do that to my kids etc (silly now to think that for him removing emotional pieces made it okay). The first few months occasional he would slip and say, how much he wished i were single or we had met earlier by even a couple of years, and what not. the last 2 months or so the majority of our texts are platonic and around friendship, he texts me first sometimes, sometimes i do, we don't talk every day. Last time i saw him was mid Dec, i have always suggested meeting up and told him he had too the next time. well nothing nothing, so yesterday i just asked "Are we gonna hang out again?" b/c i have been reading this and was thinking-- this horribly honest, but if i am not going to see him again, why am i continuing--this makes no sinse i know.
well he replied he has been talking to a girl (BTW he is 25 I am 30), and so that is why he has been slow ot set something up, then he said wah wah. I agreed, wah wah, but deep down knew it was the best thing, force me to let go, and honestly I am happy for him he does deserve someone good.The problem, i really do enjoy the friendship (which the past month i'd say 95% of conversation is normal friend-if my husband saw it wouldnt' care talk).
I know it says to cut it all off, but when i think about that I cry, and man i don't want to waste tears on this--afterall I am the last person who has a right to cry.
My husband is amazing, a great father and has NO idea.
I think i really need to figure out why i did what i did!? the first thing that comes to mind, he is HOT and it was nice to feel wanted and be told how attractive you are by someone you feel the same about...but that is a really shallow reason to do something so horrible.
(part 2 of 2)
So, just wondering a few things:
1. do you think you can remain friends after, ever? I am hoping writing here will ease this, as he is the one person i have been 100% honest with the last 6 months.
2. have you figured out why you had your affairs?
3. How are you planning to prevent it from happening again? Right now i can easily say NO way i would never get myself into that again, one huge reason b/c i dont think i could have asked for a better scenairo--far enough away he didn't intrude on my life,close enough it worked sometimes, no overlap in friends so no need to worry about someone else outing, and that really was a friend/fun person to talk to and i am really picky when it comes to guys. However if you had asked me 1 year ago would i be in the sitatuion i am now, i'd say no way, so i need to fix whatever made/helped me do it.
Thank you all for sharing your stories.
Zoe there were a couple of quotes of yours i have said (to myself!) exactly:
"...friends who used to make unbelievably passionate love with each other. Oh man. I must be out of my mind."
"I feel guilty even writing these feelings, but this is the one place I let myself be honest. "
Part One:
Zoe Says....
First of all - I want to say... I used to be totally obsessed about communication with my affair partner...checking my phone for messages all the time. Guess what... I am no longer obsessively checking my phone for messages from him. Instead - I am checking this message board! AND I am calling that progress! HA!! I am putting the energy I used to spend being entangled in that mess, into the healing process. I am so grateful to have people I can share that process with. You have all been a huge source of support and I want you to know what a major part of my healing you have been and continue to be.
Hey "in love with my first love" Hang in there girl. It sounds like you are doing a good job at acknowledging and processing your feelings and I'm so happy to hear that reading those letters helped shift your perspective a little. Even if it's a just for this moment, I see that as progress.
I know for me, at first, when I noticed I was able to go even just a few hours without being tormented with thoughts of him, that felt miraculous. Maybe I wasn't able to sustain it for as long as I'd have liked, I saw that it was at least possible, and that gave me strength to stay in the "letting go" process, rather than going backwards into the trap. Even though letting go feels painful, I am able to recognize that in other, perhaps more subtle ways, I am feeling BETTER than when I was entangled in the affair.
My date with my husband was really sweet. We walked to our favorite neighborhood pub and had a drink and a bite to eat and really TALKED about stuff. We talked openly and honestly about my affair - he asked how i was feeling and he acknowledged that he has noticed a HUGE change in me (since I made my decision to end it once and for all and started posting on this message board) I asked what he saw and he said he feels me so much more PRESENT in our relationship and that I look less stressed out..more relaxed. He told me that I had been looking really stressed - not like myself - and that that had changed dramatically in the last month. (What's wild about that is, he thinks the affair ended 4 months ago... but it actually only ended, for real, a month ago.) He said he has noticed a change in the last month. He could tell i wasn't fully THERE. He said it's as if you had lost a part of yourself and now it's back. That's how I feel too.
It was so great to get such positive feedback about the hard work i've been doing to get myself back. That gave me incentive to keep going. I am feeling waves of real love and appreciation for my husband and am finding him attractive all over again too. We made love this morning and I felt so safe and so totally LOVED. There's nothing that compares to that feeling. Not even the thrill of what I felt in my affair. It's different- deeper and more authentic. It's the REAL thing - not a fantasy.
(to be continued...)
Part Two:
Zoe Says...
Hey "Anonymous from above" -
I really feel for you in your situation - You're all SO CLOSE...you must feel like you're going to explode. Remember when you're in it, that you're not alone. We have support here with each other. I have been amazed at how much pressure that has taken off the situation for me. Count on the fact that I'm here, living through something similar, and accepting the challenge and being open to what it's supposed to teach me. You are NOT ALONE, ok?
You write, "Ironically enough it seems harder to be "normal" around each other when we are all together than when we were fooling around - how horrible is that???"
I totally get it. This is what I struggle with every time I have to see my guy. I can imagine it being ten times more difficult when you're resenting him for cutting it off so abruptly and expecting you to "act normally" I think I'd be struggling in that situation too. I think what I'd be working on doing for myself in that situation is finding a way to bring my BEST self to every encounter and focus on all the POSITIVE aspects of our relationship and channel that into the new relationship you will have to forge. I think it'd be my best way to channel my anger. I'd want to turn it around - for the sake of my husband and child and friend. If there's a part of you that feels bad that the relationship took this course and KNOWS it has to stop - I wonder if you can find it in your heart to be grateful for the fact that he had the wisdom to end it before it totally destroyed your families and friendships. It was a difficult move, but at least one of you was able to make the move. Focus on what you love about him and the fact that he ended it before the shit hit the fan and LOVE your family and friends like crazy. Loving action is the way to redemption for us, i think.
I'll admit, there's a part of me that's wondering my my ex-lover hasn't tried to contact me since I saw him on Tuesday since he claimed he'd like to "catch up with me to de-brief" I was vague in my response & left the ball in his court. I've heard nothing from him. The sick part of me could obsess and wonder about that and get all caught up in it... but the healthier part of me is SO GRATEFUL that he has made no contact and feels that perhaps it's the better part of him that's emerging. On some level he knows it wouldn't be good for us to see each other that way as it could open it all up again. So - even though a part of me is mad and hurt - the better part of me is grateful that he is restraining himself. It's BETTER for both of us and I have to remember that. It's a healthier road for both of us and it takes Love with a capitol "L" to go that route I think.
(to be continued...)
Part Three:
Zoe says.....
Nikky - Thanks for sharing your story.
You wrote:
"I think i really need to figure out why i did what i did! have you figured out why you had your affairs?"
When i went and spoke to my to a trusted counsellor he suggested I ask myself that very question. - What made you have the affair in the first place? I'm still sorting through that. I think I may try to use your question as an opportunity to articulate some answers and will write more on that when I have more to offer.
You also write:
"the first thing that comes to mind, he is HOT and it was nice to feel wanted and be told how attractive you are by someone you feel the same about...but that is a really shallow reason to do something so horrible."
I relate to that completely and it's the best and only answer I have come up with so far. I had also just lost a close friend and colleague to cancer and had had a tough year prior, so i think I was particularly vulnerable... still working on finding the answers...
You ask:
"1. do you think you can remain friends after, ever?"
I have this same question. I LONG to be able to have some kind of friendship with him, and I KNOW we will run into each other professionally, but I know my husband won't be able to tolerate me getting together with him in any way and I can't blame him. I feel like I'll be able to have a good working relationship with him, we've had a little practice at that, and it's going fine. As far as friendship I'd like to think we'll always have a heart connection in a way - I just don't think my marriage can stand HIM being a prominent fixture in my life. Certainly not now. My counsellor said I should NEVER be alone with him and at this point I think that's wise advice. i can't trust myself fully yet. The feelings are still too raw. I think I'll probably always have a unique place for him in my heart and I hope I in his. But hoping for much more seems to lead me into distress and longing and I need to be free of all that.
3. How are you planning to prevent it from happening again?
Well, I'll say that posting on this message board has been ONE way I have found to re-direct my energy. It has been powerful to have a group of people with whom I'm sharing this struggle with. It's helping me to be accountable and to gain healthy perspective. I get so much from your stories.
I also am going to heed the advice of my counsellor and NEVER be alone with him again. I think that's a good concrete boundary that will protect me from giving in to temptation.
I am hoping that the pain of this experience will prevent me from EVER crossing that boundary with someone ELSE. I'd like to think that I'm not that stupid. My husband has made it very clear that there's no more room for error and that if it happens again I'm on my own. That's enough to keep me in line, I'd like to think. God Help, me.
Anyway... I guess that's it for now. My husband and I are gonna watch a movie.
Love,
Zoe
P.S. Don't forget, I'll be checking these messages obsessively, instead of OTHER messages, so I do so look forward to reading you. xo
Zoe from anonymous above...
I read your reply while at a dinner my husband had suprised me with my lover and his wife - what fun - I made it through the dinner with casual conversation and felt it difficult to look him in the eyes at all during dinner.
Needless to say I had alot of margaritas at the bar before dinner which gave me a most numbing feeling for dinner - probably the best for all of us - then I read your post during dinner and had to hold back the tears - don't know why I checked the blog but it actually made me switch my obession from him to what you were saying - then I re-read your post when I got home and I sit here crying - that's all I can say for now _ i feel I held this back all during dinner and i just need to let it out - maybe this will be a process one I deserve for what I have done - and hopefully it will lessen as time goes on - I can't express how hard this is and i don't wish it on anyone... Love hurts sometimes and hopefully it will lessen over time....please help the tears stop...
Zoe says....
Hey, "anonymous above"...
Let yourself cry. Don't try to stop it when it you really need to cry. It's an important part of the process I think. I know I've had to cry a LOT of tears. I could sense when I was really NEEDING to cry and when I was just needlessly wallowing and I'm sure you will find your balance too.
I am so happy to report that I am not crying so much. I was so afraid that seeing him last Tuesday was going to trigger the emotional turmoil all over again but I'm actually feeling BETTER. This is like a miracle to me, considering how much pain I was in" and it is such a relief to know that I can heal from this.
Hang in there....
Love,
Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
THANK YOU! I cried reading all the posts/replies, i hurt for everyone on here and imagine the different pain you each feel.
I too woke up this morning wanting to check the blog, knowing there would be no message on my phone.
Thank you for your reply to my questions. It helps to hear other's take and how they have processed it all.
I lost an immediate family member in the past year, and gave birth to my second child a month after the loss, then started the affair 7 months later--so very well it could all be intertwined. I am thinking I should reach out for counseling, It is healthy to talk through it all.
I am hoping each day gets easier, I can refocus my energy on my amazing family and my new found friends online.
Thank you for not judging. I hope you all know one of the only comforts in all this, is i know i am not the only one struggling and going through this or to make such a poor choice.
We never really talked much on the weekends, so i know next week will be difficult, especially b/c i am confident he will text---since the way we left it is we'd stay friends (and we did text the day after he told me).
I know that I have a LONG way to go, b/c i wasn't ready for the affair to end--and if he wasn't dating a new person i know it would be continuing, and i suppose if this girl doesn't work out I will be one of the first to know (based on a text--i had told him i was really happy for him and wished him the best in the relationship, his reply "thanks, but i will keep you posted and let you know how it goes ;-)").
It is horrible but i want one more time with him, to get a sense of closure (however i am sure this your brains way of just justifying what your body wants).
annoymous--i do not know how you see him face to face all the time, when we talked on the phone after he told me he was dating someone i had to fight back tears, and when he was talking about work stuff--just listening to his voice made me cry--thankfully he didn't notice. but if i saw him face to face I am sure i'd burst out in tears. YOU DID SO GOOD NOT CRYING!!! I am so proud of you
Dear Zoe and Anonymous and everyone else reading,
When i first started posting on this forum, it was my lifeline. I checked is obsessively and felt that all i had done was transfer my obsession from him to this board rather than cure myself of it. But now after so many days, i realize that it's hard to break any habit or obsession and the best way to get rid of something unhealthy in your life is to replace the habit with something healthy...like this forum. Working on eiminating habits is really not something we need to worry about.
A spritual teacher i follow on FB recently wrote:
Two thousand years ago Marcus Aurelius wrote:
"Our anger or annoyance are more detrimental to us than the things themselves which anger or annoy us".
Most of the time, you will find this to be true. Negativity strengthens the ego, but it weakens you. It prevents true intelligence from arising and dealing with situations and people. When you recognize its futility and harmfulness, it begins to subside. You can then face and accept situations and people as they are, without this unnecessary inner baggage. This is the beginning of wisdom in action.
With love,
Eckhart.
This really has helped me see my situation in a different light - i'm not fighting a battle here...all i really need to do is be aware of my negativity and it will automatically loosen the grip it has on me. Let the pain be, don't fight it and acceptance will come. I know this seems so philosophical when you're sitting face to face with him or you can't get the pain to stop. But not fighting the feelings all the time is a relief.
Anonymous - you said you were feeling hurt that he had cut you off so abdruptly...well if you read Jennifer's original text again, she says to do the same thing..no explanation no discussion..this will shut the door to falling into the trap again (which i can vouch for after i had a 2 hr long conversation with him to clear the air). There is no easy way, but the best way is what he has done. Be thankful that process is moving in the right direction (even if it doesn't feel like it).
As far as being friends goes, i know for myself that as long as i want him to be a part of my life, even as friends, i am not ready to be his friend. The day i no longer care if he is in my life, that is the day i think friendship can be achieved.
Wishing you all peace of mind, even if it is just for a few moments today.
Zoe Says....
So glad to hear from you all.. We can get through this.
Hey "In love with my first love" Was that Eckhart Tolle you were quoting? His books are brilliant. I've read him a lot and find what he has to say extremely helpful. Thanks for posting that.
For me, too, shifting my unhealthy obsession to healthier ones has been a very important key in breaking the pattern of the affair. I did a ten day cleanse as well and got "obsessive" about that - just to give me a different focus. This blog feels like a way for me to reinforce healthier thought patterns. Typing them out seems to strengthen my resolve and having other people to answer to helps me to keep it real. Thanks for being there.
Nikki, I'm glad the conversation is helping. It really does get easier over time if you stay disciplined in the way you think about it. That's where this blog has really helped me - staying focused & disciplined in my thinking.
Hoping everyone who's reading is getting better everyday...
Sending Love....
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Zoe,
Yes that is Eckhart Tolle! I'm a big fan of his teachings (not great at implementing them though). Yesterday was probably my first tear-free day! We had guests over for dinner so i was busier than usual cooking and cleaning, but when i mind wondered back to him late at night, i felt so pround of my achievement! It feels great to be in control and know that the pain is starting to loosen it's grip on you. Just keep being aware of the pain instead of being sucked into it, allows you to distance yourself from it over time.
My heart is full of hope today. I wish i could spread it to each one of you.
Zoe says...
Hey "in love with my first love"
I am so encouraged to hear about your day yesterday. You GO girl! Fantastic. That sounds like how it's been working for me, too. A day at a time... keeping myself focused...not letting myself dwell on him...and the more time that goes by the easier it has become. We CAN do this.
I do believe that the stuff that Eckhart Tolle talks about... staying in the present ... being aware... disciplining the mind...is KEY and I'm so glad you
reminded me of those principals. I have several of his books and I am going to pick them up up again for inspiration.
I hope you know how much I benefit from hearing from you. I believe thee's strength in doing this together. I feel much stronger than if I wee doing this on my own, and for that I am so grateful to everyone who has been willing to share here.
Let's keep moving out of the shadow and into the LIGHT - and turn this EMERGENCY in our lives into the EMERGENCE of our better selves. My husband is beginning to think it might be the best thing that could've happened to us because of the new awareness, commitment and re-foucus it has brought to our relationship. I'd love to believe I could turn this around and have some good come of it.
Sending good vibes and LOVE......
Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Dear Anonymous and Nikki,
My thoughts have been with you both today. It's been a while since you both posted. I know when i started checking this blog, and i would see someone making progress, i would feel even worse becasue i was in so much pain. It was as if everyone was moving forward and i felt stuck. Then i came across some links and facts online and i remember reading that a woman that has been in an affair more than 1 yr. on average takes 5 tries before she is able to finally exit an affair!! Yes, 5 times! I am on round 5 myself.
The process is as such (the hole being the affair)...
Step 1: I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in
the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost. I am helpless. It isn't
my fault. It takes forever to find the way out.
Step 2: I walk down the same street. There is a deep
hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in
again. I can't believe I'm in the same place, but...it
isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.
Step 3: I walk down the same street. There is a deep
hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I still fall in.
It's a habit. Yet..my eyes are open, I know where I am. It
is my fault. I get out immediately.
Step 4: I walk down the same street. There is a deep
hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.
Step 5: I walk down another street.
When i got to this blog i was at step 3 and now i think i am closer to 4 and i never thought i would make it his far. It will happen for us all to get to step 5 if we just stick with our conviction that we are in a situation that needs to end. It's especially hard for you Anonymous because you have to see him so frequently, but use the pain to your advantage to move forward. He has chosen the right path for you both. Acceptance is key....let go of the questions and details. I know it's much easier said than done but we are here with you and wish for the best. Perhaps part of this post is really a pep talk for myself...really needed some of it right now.
No crying yesterday and none today! Also have not talked/texted...but like i said earlier that isn't out of the ordinary we didn't talk every day always, and before i would wait and see if he would write me first--and would wait a day before hearing from him usually.
I am doing better, and after a lot of thought i think more than missing him, i miss the attention or the thought that someone 'wanted' me... which i need to redirect to my husband that i want/need this.
Hope you are all having a good start to the week. I know not all day's will be like today, but I am feeling pretty good about it all! :-)
Zoe says...
Hey "In love with my first love" "anonymous from above" Nikki, Gem....and everyone who has been posting..or just reading along...
Thanks for the encouraging words. I needed them, as today was a challenge. I was at work where i used to see him regularly & I'd always call him from my office and I was feeling triggered just by the environment - old pangs of just wanting contact. I wanted to just give him a call to see how he was doing. I know better than to give in to these impulses, but It' so hard not to call from work because I can do it and "get away with it" in that there's no record for my husband to find. I am really training myself NOT to go there, but it was really challenging today. I felt weaker for some reason - lonely.
I think, Nikk,i you nailed it when you said what you probably really miss is being wanted and loved by someone. I think that's exactly it for me. I miss knowing that he's thinking of me....wanting me...waiting to hear from me...etc. I too am working to be grateful for the fact that my husband still wants me and loves me and I don' want to betray that love & trust anymore. Even though it has certainly gotten easier - (it's been a FULL MONTH for me to the day since we severed all intimacy ) - I still get triggered and have to resist temptation
Instead of giving in and opening up the old can o' worms, I resisted temptation and am secretly celebrating my ONE MONTH FREE anniversary.
Love,
Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~.
Zoe says...
"In love with my first love" what you said about it taking 5 tries before finally being able to end it - is absolutely accurate in my experience. I was in my affair for four months before it was exposed and It took me five whole months and many attempts to get to the point where I am now - ONE FULL MONTH into the healing process.
i never thought it was possible and am hoping it will give some of you hope to know it IS possible and it does get easier...little by little.
Hang in there.. it's worth it to get on the other side....
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Happy One Month Free Zoe! Way to go! Hang in there and know we are thinking of you often :-)
Thanks so much, Nikki. It's strange that literally TO THE DAY - yesterday - one month into my "abstinence" i would get old pangs. I'm feeling them a little bit today, too. Nothing as torturous as they used to be...but... ouch..
It was nice see your message this morning. I needed it. As i'm about to head into work. It's so easy to think of him and want to call him from my office.... NOT GONNA HAPPEN!
Gotta stay focused... here's to a month and a day... one day at a time... I can do it.
Sending Love....
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~
Zoe says....
uuuuuuhhhh.... challenging day. Long day at work & too much time in my office, where I used to spend LOTS of time with him... fooling around.... talking on the phone.... and whenever I get a break - thoughts of him flood in. The old habit has been to call him. or I'd be meeting him there. I really screwed myself having spent so much time with him in my office as it reminds me of time with him. Bummer.
Okay - I'm going to let you in on HOW weird my thinking got - I had the thought of just calling his number and hanging up. Like sending him a signal that I was thinking of him but not following through. Yikes. I am happy to report that I did not give in to that thought.
I think maybe what's happening to me after a month of "no intimate contact" is that it's REALLY starting to sink in, at a deeper level, that it's over. It brings up another level of missing.. sadness and the pain of letting go. The thing about this particular pain that feels different than before is that I am not in that horrific stage of being in limbo - one foot in both relationships and never able to be fully present anywhere. I've got to remember how much MORE miserable I was when I was "in it" I don't want to go backwards. I'm writing this because I need to reinforce my thinking. Thanks for reading me.
Sending Love,
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~
(oh the pain)
Hi, I started reading this board and I know how you all feel because almost all of them describe my pain. Im a married man who contacted my First love after 30 years. When she answered on Facebook it was the best feeling almost Euphoric. I had always thought of her over these 30 years. We started texting then it and things moved to sexting. For a Year it suddenly stopped on Jan 1 without warning. Its like my world collapsed. I should be grateful that I have a loving wife and Children. I guess she was braver than I was because I never wanted her spouse or mine to find out. This is like some sort of drug that I never knew consumed me till it is out of my system. I feel lost and its been 30 days but Im getting better each day. I pray all of you can get over this as I take every day to go thru the withdrawls. Luckily we have 1000 miles or more distance apart but if FELT so good. We did meet a few times and Im so sad that we can never be friends. The first 15 days I sent email and text with no response and worried that she had been caught and still do not know if she was. I know its the Right thing and part of me always wants to know if she is in pain like I am. Kind of selfish to want her in pain but I then realize I wouldnt want anyone in this pain. Anyways..I rambled enough and Day 31 , Im glad I can hopefully have someone to talk about.
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love sick
is the pain of breaking off the affair or the one that was dropped. I cant figure it out. I get messages up till D-Day on Jan 1 that have , "I Miss You" , "I love You" and etc...then nothing. I think its the NOT knowing and the sudden cold turkey way she did it. Not even a simple...We have to stop.
It took me 3 days to figure out she had updated her facebook page but had not responded to any of my messages. Then it sunk in. I think she had time to prepare but I did not. That part helps me get over her that she did not have the descency to at least say we need to stop.
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Love Sick
Zoe,
I have the same feelings at work because we use to talk. Its getting easier but I wish it would just all go away. Its been a bad month just wondering what happened. All these emotions something "Permanent" just scares me. I know if she ever called or emailed me, I would have to stay strong and not answer or at least Tell Her that its over and I would never want to hear from again. I cant start over. She did this 2 times before but contacted me within 2 weeks. I guess they were trial runs. I feel so stupid that I did not try to get away after the first two times. This time I really think she will not call me back since last word I heard from her was DECEMBER 31.
Zoe says...
Hi "Love Sick"
Thanks for your story. Helps knowing there are people out there who get it.
I just went back to the very top of this page and re-read Jenny's post. So helpful to re-read this. She doesn't mince words. Strong sound, solid advice. SO POWERFUL:
Read excerpt below...
"If you are having an affair with a co-worker or someone you see on a regular basis, do what you can to remove yourself from the situation.
You never allow yourself to be alone with the person again. NEVER. You do everything possible to NOT see the person or engage in a relationship of any sort.
You do not keep seeing each other as friends, you do not allow for temptation, you do not keep it going in your heart.
It is over. Done. Finished.
Promise yourself that from this moment on you will invest in your marriage, make it wonderful, find fulfillment in your family. You will do everything that is necessary to have a healthy and happy marriage.
You can do it! I know you can!
Today!"
Well.... PREACH IT!
~Zoe ~*~*~**~
Hi Zoe,
Did you break off the affair or did he. I was on vacation thru Christmaas and she wrote "I Love You" and "call me please" which I did but not as much. Then wished her Happy New year. Sent messages but no response at all. Am I crazy that I even Care? Why is she in my head all the time? Is it that easy for her to break off without any notice. This is more of an emotional bond and remembering her from when we dated for 4 years thru high School and University. 30 years later, This passion is rekindled after a year affair and It hurts. Its like a Boat without a sail. Is it wrong for me to wonder if she is hurting? I never wanted anyone to hurt but sometimes I wish I knew if she is in pain. This may some sort of Insecurity that I did not know I had. Kind of Confused on Day 31. Sorry to Ramble. it does help to see post. Feels like I suffer by myself. I would never tell anyone what Im going thru and its Painful.
Zoe, forgot to mark the above entry as me " love Sick"
Zoe-sorry about hearing of a rough day. Do your best to stay strong. Crazy thoughts--i am queen of them, so don't feel bad ever writing things(you mentioned wanting to call and hang up). i have insane thoughts i have to resist, i can think of a million silly reasons to text--and honestly the majority are 'friend' texts that i would send to just a friend, however i have resisted so far at least.
Love Sick- I relate, to it feels like the other person had time to prepare for the 'end'. That's how i feel, that he has been talking to this other girl (that he is or soon will be dating) for awhile and still maintained our relationship, it is now to the point that we can't have the sexual compenent to our relationship.
We haven't talked/texted at all since Friday last week (thursday is when he told me about her). I feel pretty good, I haven't cried since Saturday. However, I am guessing he will text me sometime (maybe I am wrong) and when he does, I know I'll reply....
Nikki,
Sorry to here your pain, I will be her for a month or more and I will make promise if this pain stops ,I will help anyone escape this pain, I have committed as this is my gift to the world.
Love sick
I feel so much better talking (writing). I have not cried. Must be male thing, I get to the brink but it doesn't come out. Not being able to . Hopefully I can get this chemical out of my mind. I keep telling myself it's just the serotonin and she is not real and it helps forget she is my soul mate. It doesn't work long but it keeps the pain by dehumanizing it.
Love sick
Zoe says...
Thanks for the words of encouragement Nikki and for helping me not to feel like such a whack job for thinking of calling & hanging up.
Re-reading Jennifer's posts at the top of this page and throughout the comments here has really strengthened my resolve to stay on the path I'm on and NOT to make a crazy u-turn. I know that would only make this more painful and I've come so far. A whole month. I can't believe it! I CAN do this.
Love sick, you asked which of us ended it - me or him. In our case it was mutual. We were pretty much on the same page throughout. We managed to keep the affair secret for four months, but after that my husband discovered it (after several close calls - the shit finally hit the fan) Fortunately he was willing to keep it between us - not go public - and gave our marriage another chance.
I am ashamed to have to admit that even though I KNEW it had to end it took FIVE WHOLE MONTHS after it was exposed to finally end the affair for good. We tried several times and kept falling back into it with each other. It was, as jennifer describes above, an addiction. We both knew it had to stop because if we didn't my marriage would most certainly end and our professional lives would be fraught with scandal & gossip. - We have so many colleagues in common - mutual friends & associates - It would have been a total mess if the affair went public. I am grateful to my husband for not going ballistic when he discovered it - telling everyone -and making matters way more complicated. We have managed to handle it privately. Another slip-up on my part and he has assured me that will NOT be the case and I will have to live without him with the mess I created. i am so lucky he has given me the chance. I don't want to screw this up now.
I recommend re-reading Jennifer's word's of wisdom from this blog for anyone who needs a reality check. Her words make powerful sense and have really been helping me to keep moving forward.
Here's to another day FREE.
I hope everybody's feeling a little better every day...
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~
Love sick,
Thanks for sharing your story! It's nice to see my situation from a guy's perspective. I rekindled my relationship with my first love after 20 yrs and i kind of did to him what she did to you...had a couple of trial runs to break it off and then finally found the courage on round 4 to do it. They were not meant to be trial runs - i really wanted to just break it off but always got sucked in. And i wondered if he was hurting and thinking of me too. I guess the answer is yes, but it would make me angry becasue i felt he had really moved on and never tried to lure me back on round 4. Now in hind sight, i'm glad he moved on and didn't show too much emotion becasue i don't actually want him in pain, and also because it would have tugged at my heart to go back to him.
If Jan 1st was the last you heard from her...perhaps it is a new years resolution? I know Zoe is planning on 2012 being the year she keeps it clean. It's a good way to start the year. These feelings are not permanent and you are a testament to that yourself! You know how far you have come in 31 days. Surely you can feel the pain subsiding. It has gotten better for me in the last 20 days too.
Zoe - I'm so proud of you for getting healthier each day. I completely relate to how you feel when you said at work is when you feel the most impulsive because you know you can get away with it. It's the same for me, when i have the chance to call, i remind myself that i'm not calling becasue it's the right thing to do but the temptation of "i can get away with it" really eats at you. In my case becasue he lives overseas, for the last 20 years, calling was a big issue since the rates to call were so expensive. Now in the last 1 year we have calling to his country and that really drives me up the wall having the time AND method to reach out to him, but having to withold yourself.
Nikki - you did nail it for me too,(at least partially) i got entangled with him because i loved feeling desired, sexy, loved and romanced. I tried to imagiine if it had been someone else, would i have done this? The answer is probably yes. Anyone that would have provided me with these feelings, could have replaced him. So in reality, he is dispensible and the only thing permanent is the hole i feel in myself and perhaps my marriage that brought this on. On the other hand, i know what he feels for me is the real deal and he has always felt this way over the years. Now that i have thinking back to our many encounters and conversations over 20 yrs, i can finally see the hints. All this is making me feel a bit ashamed of myself, as if i unknowingly took advantage of him. This realization only dawned on me a couple to days ago and now i seem to have found new guilt to deal with! I have to remind myself it takes 2 hands to clap. I can't shoulder the burden for his pain. I just need to let it go...need to let him go.
23 days sober and counting!! Cheers!
My little trigger pain killer (LTPK)
I do not know if this works over the long term but it has helped me over the last few days. It's now officially month 2 and it seems to help...it's not to the faint of heart but it sure rewires those triggers fast. It may be gender specific, but it's help me get images and wishes out of my head.
Thanks to you all for listening. I hope we are all free from this trap.
Love sick
This may have been tried before, LTPK
If it has I don't want go thru a path to nowhere, I feel better just typing and like I said women have more tolerance than most men in this so it may not help.
Here it goes
1 . Get your journal or paper out.
2. Write spouse on one page and lover on the other
3. Write down triggers that reminds you of your lover, place, smell, song, Past memories
4. Be honest and evaluate yourself where you are at.
5. Think of the worst food that will almost turn your stomach, nottttttttt allergic just the smell starts gag reflex .
6. Photo shop or cut out or paste a picture of that item. Mine could milk, cheese, seafood or anything. Example milk!
7. Your association commitment; be careful with your tolerance and abide by the rules you set I set the following rules to reverse my relationship:
Yours can be whatever you want them and change every Friday to make it harder. You have to be honest.
1. If I check email hoping for my lover I must smell milk while doing it. I know but it at least makes you aware that others are watching your distractions , soon you will not have impulses.
2. I grade myself during the day and at night, if I think I have not made any progress , Im forced to drink a cup of milk, sometimes I have to spit it out but I have her picture to associate this really bad feeling. I stare it with every swallow or spit out
3. Do not confuse this a test of love. Put this relationship in its physical terms so that your true self can actually feel , smell and see by association.
4. If you do not cheat, your mind will let go of those thoughts of the good times and that this person special to, I can't keep doing this. I'm sick of it.
5. I have committed myself, that if she calls me. I will have to tell her to call me back. I will commit myself to microwave 1 quart of milk and chug a lug while I'm taking to her. I hope that call never happens, I have kids and can change diapers but I found the stuff that will cause a gag reflex. Maybe you have one too.
Love sick
If you think of that person 20 times
Nikki and Zoe,
Stay strong. I hit the big 1 month and don't want to go back. I can only tell you that the last 15 days of lost google search landed me on this island of stability. You are all survivors ,the wisdom of telling someone not to start can only come from those that go thru it.
Love sick
Hey Zoe and In love with first love, it's me anonymous from above,
Sorry I haven't posted and I appreciated you thinking of me above...
Work has been insanely busy with year-end so I have been focused on that but still my rides home late at night make my mind wander and then the sadness...
I read your post about the hole in the road and I hear you but in my case right now I can't choose another road to go down, literally, as I live across the street... anyway, I don't want to fall in the hole again but need some advice on how to fill it in. I have restrained from contact at all during the week and since the last call where we fought he hasn't reached out to me since. I have seen him on the weekends and I struggle to be myself around him and our families. I am not sure no take that back I am sure it will never be the same as it was even on a "friend" basis. You say acceptance is key but I think I fell in love with him and I am just heartbroken. The last time we spoke we were so angry with each other and then he just said well you didn't think this was going to last forever did you? The tears rolled down my face and I just ended the call. I guess I never really thought about "ending it" and what that really meant - he thought we would just stop the physical part of our relationship and I would just continue to be his buddy and he can't understand why I won't really can't... He said if I had come to him and said I wanted to end it, he would have accepted it and still stayed friends - but he didn't even come to me the way he describes - he just stopped calling and avoided me - i think that is what hurts the most - when I call him on that he just says that I am right and he is sorry. He just doesn't want to get caught and hurt the kids.
I know neither of you will agree but i think i do need closure and we need to find a place where we are comfortable being around each other when our families are together - maybe the less i see and talk to him, i will get to a more civil place when we are together - he has to come to grips that we will never be friends again - we will just be acquaintances and keep the talk small and civil. There is no other way to do it for me - my heart hurts as I write these words - I miss my friend so much...
In the last five years, my husband and I have lost all four of our parents and we buried a child - the thought of losing him as my friend, someone I leaned on - right or wrong - just seems unbearable especially the way it ended. I am so mad at myself for crossing the line physically with him as I know we would still be close today if we hadn't.
Thanks for listening - I have to go as I am starting to cry and I don't want my daughter to see me this way.
Peace.
Zoe says....
Wow. I love that we have a support group here. I LOVE us. You people are the best. Thanks for writing.
Hey "anonymous from above"
You have such a unique challenge. You are SO CLOSE! It's interesting to notice that a part of me is jealous that you HAVE to have contact with your guy. A part of me WISHES I had your problem - but hearing you talk about how hard it is makes me realize that seeing him more is NOT the solution. Interesting.
I TOTALLY understand your need for closure. I needed it too. I SHOULD have broken up with my guy in August and instead it took me until December 30th to find "closure" and even after five months of "processing" our relationship to find the "closure" both of us hoped to find in order to end it - ultimately we both realized we just had to set a date and stick to it. The new year was a good opportunity.
You write --> "He just doesn't want to get caught and hurt the kids" WEll...I have to say... there's real wisdom in that. Take another look at Jenny's advice above and take the time to really FEEL what it would be like if your families discovered your affair. Your guy sounds like he got in touch with that reality. Someday you might THANK him for that. Somebody has to let go.
You also write...
"I miss my friend so much..." I relate to this so much. We used to talk several times a day and he was my "go to" person for EVERYTHING. He was my best friend for a while there. I MISSED him fiercely when we stopped talking I can't tell you how many times I said to him, when we were in the process of ending it... "I miss my friend" and he said "I know. Me too."
Maybe you can have another conversation with your guy and find your way to understanding and love in order to carry on and do the right thing - it seems so important in your case - since you have to see each other so regularly.
P.S. I keep meaning to ask you - How long were you two in your affair when he suddenly broke it off?
Discipline and time is helping me find perspective. It IS possible to get past these feelings. Hang in.
Hey Love sick - thanks for the hard core tactics! I'm fascinated! Where's you learn that? I'm happy to say that I think I'm far enough along in my process that I won't have to sniff stinky cheese when I think of my lover, but I will just have to THINK about sniffing stinky cheese whenever I think of him & I will have to deal with the gag reflex. Not fun. Brilliant. Where'd you learn that?
I love that I have people to talk to.
Love,
~Zoe ~*~*~
Zoe - anonymous from above
Thanks for the response. Believe me I am not in disagreement that it should stop - but defining "it" is hard. I think he defined "it" as sex and thought we could still have our friendship as it was in the beginning - he just didn't end it well as I have said before - our relationship started as friends and we just found it so easy to talk and relate to each other - it was years before we crossed the line becoming intimate - it has only been the last two years that we have been sleeping together - I read about how you got closure and envy how you ended it together - I guess that's how I thought it would be for us, a mutual conversation of understanding and love but all I feel is betrayed and that our friendship wasn't important enough to give the time of day - I would kill for him to say that he missed me, but right now I am not sure if I would even believe him - I feel he was very selfish especially knowing our situation.
Keeping busy helps and removing all his contact info from my phone also helped but then his wife went to use my phone to call him one day and asked where his contact info was - I can't f"ing win!
Thanks again for the support - hopefully I can return the favor when you are having a down day...
Peace
How is everyone today, day 32 and i noticed when I woke up that I started thinking about her. I wonder more if she misses me. Why should I care. I need to be selfish and think of me, some sort of male mid life crisis feelings must be at the core. I do notice my wife more, instead of me being distracted in thought. I have tried milk twice and it it just causes a gag reflex now that think of it. I was in the car and noticed my mind wondering and thought of lifting the glass to my mouth. Ughhh". My kids said are you ok daddy. I think This board helps me vent my true feelings without bias and this is a big help. Thanks to all of us we will make it thru this one day at a time.
Love sick
I can echo Zoe's feeling of being 'jealous' to have the problem of seeing him. Grass is always greener! :-)
We haven't talked since friday last week, pretty good, at this point i feel confident in resisting writing him first, but i have a feeling if he writes me first it will be VERY hard to resist.
Also, I am going on a girls trip this weekend, lots of alone time/drunk time, which is often when i'd text him before---should be interesting to see how it goes.
Zoe says...
Hi Friends...
Just checking in before I head into work. I have a long day ahead and lots of time in my office where I tend to be reminded of him. Nice to come here and find your messages. It really does help to be able to vent here and knowing I will be checking back in helps me to feel more accountable especially when temptations arise. You are my life line. Thanks for that.
hey "anonymous from above" -
I can't believe you were together for TWO WHOLE YEARS No wonder it's so torturous. I was involved for 9 months (total) and it was hard to detach I imagine the longer the relationship the more difficult to break free. Plus, you were close friends before that - so it's completely understandable what you're going through.
I think if I were in your situation I would call upon your history of love and friendship and INSIST that he find it in himself to process more deeply what happened and what it means to shift the relationship in a way that is DOABLE for both of you given your unique circumstance. I think it's wildly unrealistic for him to think he can just call the shots like that and not take your feelings into consideration and expect you to adhere to the parameters he establishes. It sounds like he just woke up one day and decided to pretend nothing happened and expected you to be on the same page without giving you a chance to process it with him at all. That may work for folks who don't have to see each other & aren't in each other's lives the way you two are, but in your case more processing is required if you are expected to continue some kind of relationship. Who would treat a friend like that? I think you have a right to be pissed and if he is the friend he claims to be you can demand more from him in terms of talking & getting to a point where you can both move on gracefully.
Hey Nikki, I'll be thinking of you. I was thinking... Maybe you can make a decision in advance about whether or not you want to respond to his texts or HOW you want to respond so you won't be completely swayed by the alcohol or caught up in the habitual pattern. If you decide beforehand what's going to be best for you in the long run - and make a commitment to yourself - you may feel more in charge of the situation. I know for me, when I left it up to "we'll see" that was a recipe for me to fall right back into his arms. It was too easy to give in until I started making firm decisions beforehand and committing to stick to those decisions. When I finally took the drivers seat instead of the "let's just see what happens" attitude, then I was able to turn the thing around and start heading in the right direction. Everyone comes to that in their own time, I guess. I'll be sending you good vibes.
Hey "love sick" thanks for your input. Nice to hear from the male perspective & that you're noticing your wife more. Me too with my husband. I am ashamed at how ungrateful I've been. I've got a great man and I took him for granted. It feels good to be appreciative of what I have now and focusing my energy on my marriage. I wish the same for you too. We're both over a month free. That's a huge accomplishment for me and I really want to keep going. No turning back.
Off to work... sending love...
~Zoe ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Dear Anonymous from above,
I feel for you the most. Not only were you involved with him the longest of us all on the blog, but you also have to deal with the ongoing contact. I know you are hurting but I wonder if closure is really the solution. I wonder if what you are looking for is a way from him to ‘unbreak’ your heart. I know you think closure is important but you also said you’re not sure if you would believe what he had to say. So what use would it be to ask the questions? On day 16 I could not take the questions in my head anymore so I indulged in a 2 hr closure conversation with him. All I can say is that I felt worse off after I got off the phone and I’m not sure I got any closer to getting over him. It left me with more things to ask and tell because there was nothing he could say to reduce the pain. I even wrote down all the key points he said afterwards so that I would not forget and read them over and over….
Also as Zoe mentioned, it took her 5 months of getting closure and eventually setting a date to go cold turkey was the only way. Perhaps in your mind you think a more communicative way to end it would have been helpful, and I am questioning that. I broke off with him twice more in our 20 yrs history and this was the first time I had a civil closure conversation with him...i am finding it has not made it any easier. In fact, in the past, the anger moved me forward to getting over him faster.
We can not change the past and we can not make people say things we want to hear and we definitely can not make people act in a certain way. This is where I think acceptance of the things we cannot change will help us find peace. The more I dwell on the details and the things he said, I am paralyzed in being able to move forward. But I know our hearts do mend and sometimes time is all that helps.
I’m so sorry for your loss of your parents and more so even of your child. I can see how valuable of a relationship this had become for you. Perhaps a year from now, you can look back on this and see it is possible to be civil towards one another and find mutual respect. Think long term and try to focus on your husband and kids in the meantime. I know this is like the blind leading the blind, but I hope it has helped you, even if it is just finding peace for a few moments. Thinking of you and wishing you the best.
oh anonymous from above, one more thing...just read Zoe's post where she thinks you should INSIST he think more about the situation and come to a solution in helping you both move forward. I think there is a BIG risk in that. He can very well reject your point of view and you would be left with more pain and questions. You can not demand anything...just explain how you feel. What you can do is not wait for him to call the shots. You make up your mind how you want to beheave given the circumstances. Stop giving your power away.
I went down this path before of demanding and i came back empty handed and more hurt. It doesn't make him a bad person, he's just doing what he needs to, to get over you. Think SELF peservation first. The more you dig into why he did what he did right now, the less fulfilling you will feel with the response. Work on letting it go and being good to yourself.
Well this is just my opinion and some of my past experience.
Hi all,
How do I choose an identity? It says open URL is missing. Never been on a blog before
THanks for the advice Zoe, I really appreciate it! I appreciate you,all, taking time to think of others and their situations.
Ugh, I do have bad news to report, he texted me today, "so u ready for your trip?" I wrote back, but only "I'm so ready!" have not heard anything else from him, I didn't ask him anything and so i feel pretty good about it. I feel rude ignoring him, i guess i should cut it off all together, and could write that we shouldn't talk..ugh, so much easier when he was ignoring me too :-)
I am going to focus this weekend on being with friends, making new ones, and reminding myself the fact that he enjoyed my company when he had no one, now that he has someone she is, rightfully so, getting the all of his attention, and i don't want to be second on anyones list(horrible b/c that is what i did to my husband).
I am going to try and read one more time before being on vaca until mid next week, but will hold all your words of advise and encouragment near and dear to my heart!!
Hey Zoe & In love with first love -
thanks for the advice really appreciated!
Zoe your paragraph where you say "like he just woke up one day and decided to pretend nothing happened and expected you to be on the same page without giving you a chance to process it with him at all" that about sums it up I hear what you are saying "in love with first love" but I have to see him on a regular basis and he expects me to act "normal" is asking alot right now - Like Zoe said who would treat a friend like that? It is exactly how I feel - not sure I am going to handle but it gives me something to think about and it doesn't feel like I'm whining...
Nikki - goos luck on your trip - enjoy your friend! Hope it goes well.
Talk to you all later.....Peace.
Hi all,
I have really been doing some soul searching. My wife does not know and of course I live with this secret. I fel so fake or acting but have really tried to focus on my marriage. I want to fall in love with my wife after 11 years but the endorphins are not there. My wife is wanting to go on a date tomorrow sand that is a big change. I feel so uncomfortable to be around her. Is this normal? My first love gave me endorsing high and 28 years laer those endorphins were so strong over the year of the affair even though we only met each other 3 times for sexual contact.
It feels like I'm trying to walk without a crutch. I want to make my marriage work. As for a male you are either aroused or not. That's a big fear. I have no problems but it can't be faked. I'm really confused.
Wishing everyone days of no pain
Love sick
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